that's incredibly damning. >> do you think it's possible? >> i think it's possible but i don't want to speculate. the other thing i would say that's important, i think you're going to see the anatomy of the big lie begin to unfold. when you see more text messages with come out of people around trump who knew the election fraud was a total myth, they were simply humoring him and privately saying, yeah, we can't keep spreading this craziness, i think that chips away at trump's credibility and i also think it really gets to him. >> david, "politico" obtained a draft, trump executive order, it was a draft, it's now in possession of the january 6th committee which would have ordered the acting secretary of defense to, quote, seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information and material records relating to the 2020 election. you are a west point grad. you are close friends with the former trump defense secretary mike esper. what's your reaction to hearing that? >> yeah, so, dana, look, i have not seen the document, i have not seen -- i have not even seen the article, i heard it this morning. so i don't really know the details of it. obviously, look, as you described, that that's troubling, but i don't know why they were -- you know, what the underlying issue was in terms of