the reason is worked for joe biden, there was an electoral path for him. there was a more diverse electoral path for him in nevada and south carolina. and we knew we would not do as well in the first two states that are less diverse so we needed to get to nevada and south carolina. so the challenge, the difference here for this field is there really isn't a path for a ron desantis or i would argue even a nikki haley. bakari knows her well from having served with her. >> didn't say it was a path. she's formidable. >> no question she's formidable. but a weak showing in iowa, there isn't a long-term strategic path for these guys. donald trump has essentially gone wire to wire here with all of the key coalitions within the republican party that you need to become the republican nominee. so a third place finish when those don't really have a path in these other states, won't have the same.