pro western religiously plural kind of middle east. he looks at the prime minister of turkey and ss essentially a wolf in sheep's clothing as he would say. someone who is trying to impose islamist ideas but slowly and sort of surreptitiously. what he is saying is to americans, you guys should pay attention, because these guys are taking over and they are as much of a threat to modernity and to the west and progressive arabs as iran is. that's stunning. >> abdula also told you he thinks it might already be too late for a two-state solution between the israelis and palestinians. why? >> well, you. his argument is he's one of the leading advocates for a two-state solution and that is obviously a big part of the agenda for president obama and prime minister netanyahu as well as with president obama and the palestinian leadership.