because they are so afraid of what could happen to them is a terrible thing for our democracy. >> we're joined now by the producer and the director of the film "robert greenwall" also the president and founder of brave new foundation. robert, thanks so much for being here. what's your reaction to the justice department obtaining phone records of associated press journalists? were you surprised? >> well, i was angry, initially, and, unfortunately, the last year of research we've done on war on whistle blowers, this is a systemic, continuing problem. it's not a one off and it's not an accident, sadly. it has been policy by the white house, by the administration, and it's an effort to silence and scare whistle blowers and to get the press to be quiet and do what it wants them to do. the national security state doesn't want anything getting out. >> now, attorney general holder argued that this was a very serious leak. it put the american people in