how widespread was that? >> you know, that's what is really troubling if you take away from this report that i'm reading. it's the fact that the supervisors were telling people to lie about how to put down these wait times just to hide the fact that they were so long. it was a scandal being held in secr secret by the v.a. and when we talk about the secret lists, i want to read this to you. this is from the v.a. report that it pressure was placed on schedulers to utilize unofficial lists or engage in inappropriate practices in order to make waiting times more favorable. those are the secret lists, lists that were off the books and off the books for one reason, just to make the numbers look way better than they are. now we know that the numbers are way worse than we thought. >> there was a bonus incentive worked into that as well. what was next for the 37,000 veterans that have been waiting for 90 days or longer? >> the v.a. is trying to get