is not appropriate, but then the people's elected representatives have to codify into law the specifics. that has not been done. so what we end up having is the first example of the criminalization of a christian for believes the traditional definition of marriage. it is very, very shocking to say the least. >> so, in other words, i know that you're a supporter of the loving versus virginia decision in 1967, which outlawed all bans on interracial marriages, i'm not questioning your position on that, but in your view, after that ban -- after all the bans were struck down by the supreme court, even though there might have been mormons or adherence to bob jones, who at the time thought of blacks as inferior as taught by their religion, you would have said that the states still have to step in and make laws, it's not enough for the