country fundamental identifiers for conservative catholics. and so in the first instance they felt, you know, this was kind of a strange thing for a pope to be saying and then he came out with an encyclical on the environment and a lot on immigration. and so certainly there, i think, is still, at least there was, a question, some conservatives' mind, which way does the pope want to go? and that's what's interesting about what he said on the papal plane, that i'm not a lefty, because he's responding to that. and so -- >> he's saying what i believe is exactly in keeping with scripture, with the gospel. >> absolutely. >> and it's really a question, i think for the likes of us, emphasis might be a little different but he's not going to change his position on abortion or same-sex marriage or birth control. >> no, no. i think that should be clear for both sided. but but he is bringing in a lot of the the other issues which we think of as left. >> right.