look, if we get millions of requests to cover the thing, of course we go to the camera, but there was no one interested. i think there's people interested that want to go and unseat newsom. they will be motivated and they will come out and vote. and then there are the democrats that maybe take this a little bit too relaxed and maybe not come out. and it could be dangerous for newsom, if that is the case. >> so, he is friends with gavin newsom, and he says he also has relationships with some of the candidates who want to unseat him. but his point there was that, and he said flatly that the newsom campaign and newsom himself didn't take this recall seriously enough until recently. now they've changed, obviously. but it took a while for them to get there. >> that was nice of him to dress up for the interview. i appreciate it. remember to listen to dana's podcast "total recall: california's political circus." you can download it wherever you