so-called justice system does when it gets its claws into black boys, unquote. a really compelling thing for a victim of a crime to say. how often did you see this theme repeated, young black men convicted of a crime and then they never leave the legal system? >> i mean, more often than not. once you are within it, it's a hampster wheel. and you really cannot get off because they have parole, they've got the absence, the second chances. that chapter talks about the poin yens and moments of real humanity and expression of second chances and knowing the justice system f there is one, has to do with redemption as much as retribution. someone who understood the innerconnectivity between sociology and politics and the history of race in america and the evolution since the 13th amendment to be a champion for