but logistically, what is the issue there? >> i think the concern would be that these would be, at that point, nato jets. and it was unclear whether the intent was to have them operate from ramstein, the nato base in germany, or to get them into ukraine. i for one would not support having them operate out of germany. i think that does put us into the conflict. but logistically, if you can get those jets into western ukraine, support them out of a place like lviv, get them in the air, i think they could have impact. >> why can't poland just transfer them themselves? they're right on the border with ukraine. >> a very good question. i think the answer is the poles are concerned about risk. concerned about russia identifying them individually as stepping into the war as a combatant. if write the leader of poland, i would be concerned about that, too. what poland is trying to do logically enough torsion get the whole alliance behind the idea.