speaking on the danger of american isolationism there are those who think that if we continue to support the ukrainian military with resources that will somehow lead us to world war three. >> i believe the opposite is true. i believe the real lesson of history is when we falter in our commitment when we don't take tyrannical regime seriously. and we don't take dictators at their word and joining us now, former vice president mike pence, that mr. vice president, you've been talking to european leaders there in belgium as you travel across europe, what are you hearing from allied leaders about russia's war against ukraine? how dire the situation is there, there are fears about what putin will do after ukraine well, i think you actually use the word that i've heard most often. >> that is the situation in