prisoner exchange. that is my intention. my intention is to get her home. >> do you really think there's any chance that putin would be willing to play ball this time? >> well, what i learned from that comment is that the russians haven't been serious up until now in their conversations with the administration to the extent they've been occurring at all about brittney griner. unfortunately, as i have, you know, said from the beginning of this she's a hostage. she's a hostage of the putin government because she's the most high profile one they have, not one to be let go of lightly. and i think the fact they just transferred her to russian penal colony this week is obviously grim news and doesn't suggest any kind of release is going to be happening anytime soon. >> agreed. susan glasser, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. the wave turned into a trickle, but former president