>> so let's talk more about race and a generation gap. i want to bring in now a writer for "the root" in washington. >> i was formerly for "the root." i wrote a piece in 2008 called gen-y for "the root" about the fact i don't believe gen-y is color blind. i'm happy to talk about that. >> thank you. also charles gallagher the chair of lasalle's department who joins me from philadelphia and tim wise joins me here in new york. we'll go to tim first. so did my interviews with, did anything surprise you? to a tern, no matter whether white, asian, black, whatever they were they did think the george zimmerman verdict, trayvon martin story had an element of race, these young people. 17 to 23 is what i interviewed. >> right. i think young folks certainly are more attuned to the reality of race and racism than perhaps our previous generations including my own and yours might