would be a way to really better understand the testimony even before, if it ever comes, if he never agrees to testify, this is a window into somebody who had the ear of the former president of the united states, was the second in command, was targeted and in danger at that moment in time and what he also saw around him, the idea of the pace of trying to react to it, the decisions not to have somebody immediately come, the idea of having members of the capitol police force and the washington, d.c. police department also defending for their lives, trying to protect them and the delay. he'll have an insight into all of these things and does not seem inclined to wait like a steve bannon, like a mark meadows to figure out what to compartmentalize. this is really big news. >> you know, it's interesting, laura -- let me just follow up. do you agree that seeing such a high-profile official like mark short cooperate could encourage other witnesses to be more forthcoming? andrew, i want your thoughts on