and -- and i think that should -- should be the primary concern at this point, which is to make sure that we protect the president in every way possible. if there is a way for him to meet with zelenskyy and it's secure and can be done without jeopardizing the president's security, i would say that they should look at. that -- that possibility. but i think for the president to go into the middle of a war zone at this point in time, i'd have to st really makes me very concerned about the president's safety. >> yeah. earlier, a few days ago, three nato allies, leaders of three nato countries did make that risky trip to kyiv and met with the ukrainian leader. we will see what happens when the president heads to europe this week. secretary panetta, as usual, thanks so much for joining us. >> good to be with you, wolf. just ahead. new cnn reporting, president biden's relationship with vladimir putin. stay with us. you are in "the situation room."