>> kate, you wrote a royal's rather like the old adage about a tree that falls in the forest. if it's not heard, does it make a sound? they have not point unless they are seen. they have to be in the press because they're not there to be seen, you don't exist. >> controlling when and how they're seen is a lot more difficult in 2023. and not just because everyone is a photographer. >> part of the problem the monarchy has in relation to the press is, this is built on an old model, a wall of silence, and they can leak out what they want. but harry and meghan have shown you can't do that anymore. you've got netflix, spotify, book deals, we just know far too much of it. >> that relationship between the royal family and the media is a complex, difficult at times