we've proven it here. united airlines have proven it. let's just go do it and i think it's going to take bluntly political courage amongst elected officials and even among ceos. >> there's no testing exception either. i mean, you're hardcore, right? you don't recognize if someone's had it nor is there a testing exception to your mandate. how come? >> because testing only allows you to find out if someone's got it. it doesn't help you stop it. we looked at the models in europe. they were much looser. i said if there's only one thing that we know works is vaccination, let's go all the way. right now 90%, as i said, 90% of new yorkers have had at least one dose, and even though we've seen a business increase lately, our hospitals are doing very, very well. that's not true in the rest of a lot of this country and the rest of the state it's not true. our hospital system is strong, we thank god had very few deaths because the more people are vaccinated, the more people are going to make it through.