never been done does not mean they were prevented from doing so. a lot of things haven't been done in recent times, namely an attack on the united states congress. on the point of who gets to make -- hold on, i'm going to finish my point, then i want to invite you to continue to speak. when you talk about the idea of the legitimacy, essentially, or the ability for -- and they're talking about trying to invite perjury, when i read the letters from the committee that invites the voluntary, not the punitive, but the voluntary testimony of members of congress, they're asking about what they actually know. why do you view it as a punishment, to give transparent information? >> well, they're not punishing them. they're setting them up potentially for progression by t -- for prosecution by the department of justice. let me go back to your earlier