going to be forced to show up and answer questions or take the fifth. >> on that note, taking the fifth, eric trump was subpoenaed and interviewed by this same new york ag's office, and he actually raised the fifth amendment multiple times. i think it was dozens, if not hundreds of times, in response to questions. that is still an option for either ivanka or don jr. or donald trump. but it's not a viable one when you're talking about the scope of other litigation efforts or prosecution efforts, right? what you do in one context civilly might not be to your benefit in a criminal context, right? >> that's right. the new york ag tish james investigation here is civil. and when you take the fifth amendment in a civil case -- inference can be drawn. that is the fact that you took the fifth amendment can be used against you and can cause you to lose the civil case.