president. >> matt, you wrote an article essentially saying we may have to -- you know, he could be decent. >> yeah, yeah. look, i think that donald trump isn't just silly. i think he's dangerous. and i think that jeb bush is boxed in because he's on is that silly pledge they all signed to support the republican nominee. he needs to tear up that pledge. i think donald trump is potentially much more dangerous than hillary clinton because he's a complete wild card. we have no idea if he's a conservative or a liberal where he stands and i think this is like -- remember that time when tim polenti was sort of bad mouthing mitt romney on fox news sunday. then they get to the debate and he won't do it? i think jeb bush should have lowered the boom on donald trump there. and the fact that he won't do it is self-selective. >> that was the issue at the last debate when trump brought up columba and others say he should have gone farther.