trump, 100% pure unadulterated donald trump. >> but he knows what he is doing. he knows he has picked up -- whether you agree with him, whether you believe it, whatever it is, he knows his audience and he is working that audience. >> and i think people are also -- look, i would say that there's zero substance to what he's saying. but you also have to remember that what's driving voter anxiety or voter anger is this idea of a washington that is out of touch with people's real concerns. and that anxiety -- >> isn't it fear, as well? >> there is fear in there, yes. but also, this why would idea of this just status quo, that if we keep electing folks like hillary clinton who have been career politicians for the last 20 to 30 years and keep rewarding them for these very scripted, guarded conversations and events that they have all around the country, that nothing is going to change. and so you see in the essence of what donald trump did tonight was him talking directly to voters, unvarnished, unscripted