aggressive campaign. but we've also said before, chris, and we'll say it again, that this race isn't going to be over in iowa, and it won't be over in new hampshire. we think this primary is going to go well into super tuesday and beyond, so we are hunkering down for the long fight because we are definitely in it to win it, and we believe vice president biden will in fact be the democratic nominee. >> you see a scenario where you don't win in iowa and new hampshire and you win the nomination? >> well, chris, i think that first of all i want to remind folks this is all about delegate numbers. i don't know if some people out there can count, but we sure can. in a democratic presidential primary, you have to reach at least 15% to be awarded any delegates. that is how you win a democratic presidential primary, delegates. so you can come in first in iowa and still be awarded the same amount of delegates as the person that comes in third. so we are playing to win here. we are traveling all over iowa, all over new hampshire, nevada, south carolina. super tuesday states and beyond because we want to meet the people where we are, chris, and earn the votes of folks across