is now engaged in. >> let's get back to these -- to what's happening with the possibility of this second whistle-blower, okay? ryan, what could we learn beyond the text messages, beyond the transcript, beyond what max was just talking about saying it on the south lawn? what else could we learn? >> well, first of all, i don't think max is right that this is the only case of corruption trump cares about. i think he still has a passing interest in hillary clinton's emails. so let's just stipulate that. but, look, the reporting from the "times" suggests that this is one of the people, right, who was interviewed in the process of corroborating the initial whistle-blower's account, and it looks like during that interview, he or she -- i believe it is a he -- suggested that he might have his own whistle-blower case to file and that might allow him to have the protections of the