records. one was electronically with his messaging, and the other two apparently were handwritten where he had a small notebook he carried with him, and he had a spiral notebook on his desk, so i don't know the quality of the notes, but they could be very helpful. if he's been subpoenaed, i think he has to bring those with him because they may want to question him on those notes to see if there are any conflicts between his notes and his testimony. >> as you know, john, these public hearings have the power to shift public opinion, but they can also fall flat. we saw that with mueller's testimony. what do democrats need to do to tell the story of what really happened? >> just let the witnesses unfold the story. the first thing they've done that is really smart, very smart, is to open up the questioning where there is not this five-minute back and forth by members.