the day. and so the time doesn't match up to what gordon sondland has told people when he would call the president. and yet the president doesn't remember, as you just noted, doesn't remember this call. he's always phrasing this as, you know, gordon sondland just said i said this. he's never said personally, i remember this call. thirdly, we heard from white house officials as late as last week and again early this week that there is no white house record of this call. they still have not been able to locate one. and there should have been likely because we understand there's a protocol and a practice that's demonstrated in many other instances when gordon sondland when he's trying to reach the president, he would call the white house switchboard. he wouldn't call the president on his personal cell phone. >> interesting. maybe that's why the president had to read it off of a cue card. so what does it mean for the president if it turns out that the call that sondland described, elie, never actually