doesn't seem that surgical, sectoral, economic sanctions math match what's being called a crime by world leaders. so, what is the effective response? you say step up, president obama. how so? what is -- you have advised -- >> i think you have to do things on two tracks. the near-term things, get those bodies back, get the russians out and get the equipment out of the ukraine. beyond that, jim, what's very important here now is to embrace a long-term strategy. bob gates, former defense secretary, has been arguing this point for some time. you can't do everything you want to do in the short term. we don't have the capacity to do that without get nothing conflict, that we do not want to do, we do have the capacity to put the screws on russia, they understand, look, they are going to be strong disincentives, you want to misbehave, be, aggressive, show all this nationalism, it may be popular back home but it is going to cost you and cost you and cost you internationally and we need allies to do that, it has not