leadership. >> well, actually, this is one thing to me does kind of makes sense because figure if putin now negotiates some type of deal with prigozhin, prigozhin is on his level or at least somewhat on his level. you know, another guy he's negotiating with. if you have the belorussian leader, lukashenko, doing the deal then putin can kind of sit back and sell, well, thank you, i have not been involved. so it doesn't -- let's say it saves face for putin on some level. again, we're just speculating here, but that does make sense to me. >> jill dougherty, appreciate it. we'll check back in with you. ukraine has been watching all of this obviously very closely. president volodymyr zelenskyy claiming today vladimir putin was in his words very afraid as events were unfolding. ivan watson is here with me now. talk a bit about what we heard from ukraine over the last 24