your grandfather. we have a picture right there of him, warren. and by 12, tell me if this is true, you were a regular on jamboree usa, opening for stars like roy clark? true? >> true, yeah. i sang an original christmas song at a rotary club luncheon in the local town. they had this 12-year-old, 13-year-old songwriter that -- first song i ever wrote was a christmas song, and it wasn't bad. it was actually in some ways better than some things i've tried to write lately. i stumbled upon it. next thing you know, they heard me do that, invited me on the local christmas show. the very first time i played the jamboree, they let me open for the judds. the biggest thing in the world at the time. >> i was going to say, what did they think of this 12-year-old kid? >> in the words of my dad at the time, he was really good about not thinking everything i did was great.