demonstration on the steps of city hall that was loud, angry, vitrialic. rudy giuliani, in fact, was a participant in those protests but this kind of directi direction shunning of the officer turning their backs on the current mayor, no, we have never seen that. >> what does he need to do? >> well, it's a very difficult thing and, you know, it's probably impossible to talk about truly uniting a city of 8 million people but he can certainly try to bring more opinions together and he started doing that yesterday attending mass at st. patrick's cathedral with cardinal timothy dolan, in general, trying to lower the volume and trying to get in the