spider. it is looking like another situation where where iraq, the u.s. spends an enormous amount of money, and trains a lot of hundreds of thousands of military personnel, and when the going to gets rough, they disappear. >> yes, the sad fact is that unless there is some glue that holds the forces together, over the course of time, it will dissipate in terms of the fightings s fs for -- fighting, and we have seen that for us to achieve the national security interests, and this is what it is about, how do we get out of the close fight here that is potentially in the united states, and take it elsewhere, that is intergenerational, and this is what we call the new nor the mall, and this is the constant state of conflict that this nation has now accepted as a reis sult of the conditions around the globe. our engagement overseas is a must in order for us to preclude where there is an inevitability, and it is going to happen unless