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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 September 7, 2018 04:00:00
Administration, not only conducted by white house officials but allies of this white house want to know who anonymous is. How much weight is the white house taking these. You say theyre printing them out and basically showing them to him. Reporter my understanding is that, yes, he is, remember, this is a president who likes to have
Cabinet Meetings
where he goes around the room and
Cabinet Officials
and secretaries praise him for the work hes doing. This is very much in line and character with that. I will tell you, anderson, talking to sources close to this white house, i talked to one source earlier today raising questions about the strength of some of these statements coming from some of these
Cabinet Officials
. I think there is, in sort of the same way they were going through that
New York Times
oped searching for clues whether this person or that person wrote this in the
New York Times
. There are allies of the president going through these
Cabinet Officials
wondering if theyre loyal enough and gives you an idea how intense these are inside the white house and oval office. Appreciate it. With me is senator
Richard Blumenthal
member of the
Senate Judiciary
committee. Do you think the
Senior Administration
who wrote this should come forward . I think he should come forward or she, because theres an obligation to tell the
American People
even more about the reasons that this official has such deepseated and frankly alarming views of the chaotic
Out Of Control
potentially demagogic state of our presidency. Its an imperial presidency that seems to be off the rails and has all the more relevance in the midst of the
Confirmation Hearing
were having on a nominee who seemingly would provide no check on this presidency and provides no assurance he would maintain the independence of the judiciary. If this person does not come forward, is it possible that whatever their motive is, that it has the reverse impact, that essentially this confirms for
President Trump
, for some of his supporters, that there is something of a deep state, there are is this bureaucracy which is actively working to thwart some of his efforts . Theres no predicting what
Donald Trumps
base may think about this official who say theres a twotrack presidency, but the simple fact of the matter is that we are in the midst of a profound constitutional crisis, with the president , and unindicted coconspirator. Never before has the president been an unindicted coconspirator under these circumstances in fact nominating a justice to the
Supreme Court
, who may sit on his case, and give him a pass if he is an indicted coconspirator or otherwise subject to judicial process like a subpoena to testify before the grand jury. Whatever the effect on the base,it may simply further divide the country if this official fails to come forward and give more facts, not just the rhetoric, a lot of it that we see in this oped. Mark meadows, republican congressman, obviously a key ally of the president are looking into whether this is something they could investigate. Should it be investigated with congressional resources . There is a need for congress to investigate much more aggressively so much of the law breaking and wrongdoing,
The Culture Of Corruption
in this administration. The only way its going to happen is for the congress to change. Thats going to be the game changer for this administration. Impose some democratic and constitutional discipline. Your colleague senator
Elizabeth Warren
said if
Senior Administration
officials dont feel the president can do his job, they should invoke the
25th Amendment
. They said there were whispers about that early on. Do you agree with that . Invoking the
25th Amendment
requires a high bar to be met, in terms of the facts. In fact, a president physically or mentally unable to do the job, and it has to be done by the
Vice President
and a majority of the cabinet. Thats a decision that increasingly is on the minds of people not only in the administration but also many of us here in congress. It would have to be initiated by the
Vice President
or others in the administration. Cory booker asked judge kavanaugh at the hearings youre a big part of if he would recuse himself from issues involving the president. Is that something you think he should actually do. My sense is you do think that and if you do, why should he . Isnt every judicial nominee is nominated by the president and theyre not asked to recuse themselves from something about the person that nominated them. I asked
Brett Kavanaugh
very directly yesterday afternoon whether he would recuse himself. I believe very strongly that he must do so. He must commit in this
Confirmation Hearing
that he would take himself out of any consideration of any issue involving the president s personal criminal or civil liability. Remember, that i and 199 of my colleagues in a lawsuit ive led have sued the president of the
United States
for his violation of the emoluments cause, the chief anticorruption of the constitution and that will reach the
Supreme Court
and the president is an unindicted coconspirator. The likelihood is as we stand here now, that the president could well be an indicted coconspirator. Not just an unindicted coconspirator, or that he could be subpoenaed to testify and resist it or to testify in a criminal proceeding against one of his friends or cronies or officials in his government. Youre saying kavanaugh is too much under the president s thumb just because he was nominated by the president . Not only because he was nominated by this president , an unindicted coconspirator, because he has utterly failed to give us any assurance he would defend the independence of the judiciary. He failed to defend
Justice Ruth Bader
ginsberg against attacks by this president and failed to go so far as neil gorsuch did in saying the president s attacks on the judiciary are demoralizing and disheartening. He failed to establish that judicial independence. He has the right rhetoric, would be defended in practice, in real terms with real backbone, and that is the reason or one of them that i am committed to vote against him. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Joining us,
Gloria Borger
, john dean and
Carl Bernstein
as well. I dont know if surreal is the word were in this situation where you have all these senior officials coming forward and making statements to the president and then being read closely by the white house. Its a little kind of dare leaderish. The stunning notion to me, its not just
Senior Administration
officials, it is the
Vice President
of the
United States
, saying, i didnt say that the president is a
National Security
risk. It is people who are running the
Intelligence Community
who felt the need, the director of the fbi, who felt the need go out there and say, i didnt say that the president was a
National Security
risk. I mean, there is something so surreal, is the word about this, that this notion as these statements come in, somehow theyre being delivered, handdelivered to the president who is reading them, thats good, okay, fine, i know pence didnt do it. Lets go to the next one. The question is i would ask is, why believe any of them. I think jim acosta pointed that out. What good does it do . What does it matter in many ways . Does this focus on who it is and the search for it, does it take away the message this person was trying to get across . Absolutely. This could easily be a
Public Relations
ploy. This white house fully understands if you spend a lot of times trying to kill the messenger, you can kill the message. We have to keep our focus on whats in the contents of that piece as well as in that search. If the white house is focusing on the search to distract from what the actual person was saying . I do. I think theyre smart enough to do that and very good on these kind of issues and know how to distract and throw dust in our eyes . Dont you think trump also want to know that . Of course he wants to know. We dont need to become obsessed with the search. I agree. We need to focus what the country is concerned about. Do you agree the white house is trying to essentially change the conversation . Very much so. As soon as david said it, it clicked, right on. This whole white house operation has mastered the art of deflecting attention. They do it consistently and do it very well. Is it possible it actually plays into the president s hands and the notion hes surrounded by people who are trying to thwart his will, his agenda . It does, or it can, because indeed, one of his themes and those of people around him, think there is a deep state conspiracy against
President Trump
an that theme is being repeated because of this letter in the
New York Times
, this piece in the
New York Times
. Whats really going on here is that
Bob Woodwards
book, and the contents of what is in the anonymous piece in the
New York Times
, those closest to the president of the
United States
are saying, we must save the country from the president of the
United States
. Incidentally, people, republicans in congress, this is no surprise to them. They have heard this from people around the president of the
United States
. Mitch mcconnell knows this kind of attitude about the danger posed by the president has been expressed to
Mitch Mcconnell
by people around the president. The same with paul ryan. What we need here are, finally, i think, some hearings on congressional hearings, in which an
Executive Session
or open session, those around the president of the
United States
are questioned about the fitness of donald trump to be the president of the
United States
. Thats whats at stake here. What we are talking about is a portrait by numerous people. In
Bob Woodwards
book, ive read the whole book, you see it so convincingly, in scene after scene after scene. Carl, why would anybody tell the truth in front of a pardon me . Why would anybody tell the truth if that is in fact what their opinion is, given all these people have made statements saying, it wasnt me, it wasnt me. Nobody is standing up and saying, oh, yes, i agree with what this anonymous person said. Why would it be any different . I dont know what would happen. Its important. If you have bipartisan hearings, if the democrats were to win the house and you have republicans and democrats calling these people in, and there might be mixed opinions. There might be some gray areas, but it is very important for the leadership in the congress of the
United States
and the people of the
United States
to know whether or not donald trump is fit to be president , whether he is stable enough to be president , honest enough to be president , and has the capabilities of being president. That is what we are learning this week. The people closest to him have the gravest doubts. Theres no expressed appetite of republicans in congress to have you noticed that . Even talk about this, let alone hold hearings. Exactly. Republicans, as we all know, are whispering about this to each other. There are no profiles in courage up there because donald trump has an 80 or 90
Approval Rating
with his party. The only thing i can see changing this is an election. Suddenly, if donald trump becomes as little less scary to republicans, if he loses the house, there will be all kinds of hearings, trust me. If the senate comes close or they lose the senate, then, its really goes to get bad for donald trump. Right now, these republicans and you heard bob corker say it today, a senator from tennessee who is leaving. Why is anybody surprised about this . We heard this stuff about donald trump. Nobody is going to do anything about it because theyre looking out for themselves. I know thats shocking. We will take a quick break and continue this discussion when we come back. Breaking news, senator blumenthal alluded to it a moment ago the
Kavanaugh Hearings
and whether the nominee will recuse himself as to the president. Senator cory booker will talk about what went on. Youre in the business of helping people. Were in the business of helping you. Business funding to help make a difference. Another way we have your back. The powerful backing of american express. Dont do business without it. Now tmobile has unlimited for the rest of us unlimited ways to be you. Unlimited ways to share with others. Unlimited ways to live for the moment all for as low as 30 bucks a line unlimited for you for them for all right now, get unlimited for as low at 30 bucks per line for four lines at tmobile chicken thats right, chicken . candace new
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chicken we talked a bit before the break about letting the risk of the search overshadow what the person wrote. Heres some of what this
Administration Official
wrote. The root of the problem is the president s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles. Meetings with
Him Veer Off Topic
and off the rails and he engages in decisions that have to be walked back. There were early whispers of the cabinet invoking the
25th Amendment
which would start a complex process for removing the president. No one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis so we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until one way or another, its over. You have senator rand paul talk about polygraphing people in the administration and polygraphs not admissible in court and not that necessarily reliable. Is there a danger how much this consumes the administration and it starts to eat itself. Absolutely. The polygraph would be an awful idea. I remember when
President Reagan
was very upset with all the leaks and said he had leaks up to his keister and started carrying on and started talking about polygraphs and dave schultz said the day you do that i walk out the door. You cant do that to people. And he killed it. We never went forward with it. I believe they work. It was my word against the acting fbi director. I went and took a polygraph, i passed it. We wanted pat gray to take one, two days later he left office. Would you support polygraphing everybody . Yeah. I think asking people to take a polygraph, its it suggests a level of distrust above what were seeing now. How many people will you polygraph . There are a lot of people in the realm of
Senior Administration
officials, and the amount of time not enough machines to do it on a mass scale. What about the irony of polygraphing people in the trump administration, where the president of the
United States
himself happens to be happens to be somebody who has problems telling the truth. Exactly. It would be the most ironic thing that would ever occur, this president of all people would would ask his own people to take polygraphs. I do think theres a very good chance whoever wrote the anonymous piece has already put out a statement of denial. Carl, i ive been rereading this polish journalist who wrote this famous book and i know this is a
Weird Tangent
but im reminded of it again. Happy to talk about him. The way they were devour itself and having these competing groups playing off and fearful of one another, it makes me feel like reading what this person said, just the intrigue in this white house is stunning. That is what
Bob Woodwards
book is about. And, again, what was written in the
New York Times
, it is about a president who is unhinged. And what we are watching in the president s response to trying to find this one person is an unhinged president looking for someone when in fact he ought to be doing the business of being the president of the
United States
. To glorias point, what comes through in
Bob Woodwards
book and what comes through in witness after witness after witness is
Donald Trumps
lying. The lying being what undoes him, and the reason those closest to him have concluded he cannot be fit to be the president because of the lying. His own lawyer, the last line in
Cabinet Meetings<\/a> where he goes around the room and
Cabinet Officials<\/a> and secretaries praise him for the work hes doing. This is very much in line and character with that. I will tell you, anderson, talking to sources close to this white house, i talked to one source earlier today raising questions about the strength of some of these statements coming from some of these
Cabinet Officials<\/a>. I think there is, in sort of the same way they were going through that
New York Times<\/a> oped searching for clues whether this person or that person wrote this\rin the
New York Times<\/a>. There are allies of the president going through these
Cabinet Officials<\/a> wondering if theyre loyal enough and gives you an idea how intense these are inside the white house and oval office. Appreciate it. With me is senator
Richard Blumenthal<\/a> member of the
Senate Judiciary<\/a> committee. Do you think the
Senior Administration<\/a> who wrote this should come forward . I think he should come forward or she, because theres an obligation to tell the
American People<\/a> even more about the reasons that this official has such deepseated and frankly alarming views of the chaotic
Out Of Control<\/a> potentially demagogic state of our presidency. Its an imperial presidency that seems to be off the rails and has all the more relevance in the midst of the
Confirmation Hearing<\/a> were having on a nominee who seemingly would provide no check on this presidency and provides no\rassurance he would maintain the independence of the judiciary. If this person does not come forward, is it possible that whatever their motive is, that it has the reverse impact, that essentially this confirms for
President Trump<\/a>, for some of his supporters, that there is something of a deep state, there are is this bureaucracy which is actively working to thwart some of his efforts . Theres no predicting what
Donald Trumps<\/a> base may think about this official who say theres a twotrack presidency, but the simple fact of the matter is that we are in the midst of a profound constitutional crisis, with the president , and unindicted coconspirator. Never before has the president been an unindicted coconspirator under these circumstances in fact nominating a justice to the
Supreme Court<\/a>,\rwho may sit on his case, and give him a pass if he is an indicted coconspirator or otherwise subject to judicial process like a subpoena to testify before the grand jury. Whatever the effect on the base,it may simply further divide the country if this official fails to come forward and give more facts, not just the rhetoric, a lot of it that we see in this oped. Mark meadows, republican congressman, obviously a key ally of the president are looking into whether this is something they could investigate. Should it be investigated with congressional resources . There is a need for congress to investigate much more aggressively so much of the law breaking and wrongdoing,
The Culture Of Corruption<\/a> in this administration. The only way its going to happen is for the congress to change. Thats going to be the game changer for this administration. Impose some democratic and constitutional discipline. Your colleague senator
Elizabeth Warren<\/a> said if
Senior Administration<\/a> officials dont feel the president can do his job, they should invoke the
25th Amendment<\/a>. They said there were whispers about that early on. Do you agree with that . Invoking the
25th Amendment<\/a> requires a high bar to be met, in terms of the facts. In fact, a president physically or mentally unable to do the job, and it has to be done by the
Vice President<\/a> and a majority of the cabinet. Thats a decision that increasingly is on the minds of people not only in the administration but also many of us here in congress. It would have to be initiated by the
Vice President<\/a> or others in the administration. Cory booker asked judge kavanaugh at the hearings youre a big part of if he would recuse himself from issues involving\rthe president. Is that something you think he should actually do. My sense is you do think that and if you do, why should he . Isnt every judicial nominee is nominated by the president and theyre not asked to recuse themselves from something about the person that nominated them. I asked
Brett Kavanaugh<\/a> very directly yesterday afternoon whether he would recuse himself. I believe very strongly that he must do so. He must commit in this
Confirmation Hearing<\/a> that he would take himself out of any consideration of any issue involving the president s personal criminal or civil liability. Remember, that i and 199 of my colleagues in a lawsuit ive led have sued the president of the
United States<\/a> for his violation of the emoluments cause, the chief anticorruption of the constitution and that will reach the
Supreme Court<\/a> and the president is an unindicted\rcoconspirator. The likelihood is as we stand here now, that the president could well be an indicted coconspirator. Not just an unindicted coconspirator, or that he could be subpoenaed to testify and resist it or to testify in a criminal proceeding against one of his friends or cronies or officials in his government. Youre saying kavanaugh is too much under the president s thumb just because he was nominated by the president . Not only because he was nominated by this president , an unindicted coconspirator, because he has utterly failed to give us any assurance he would defend the independence of the judiciary. He failed to defend
Justice Ruth Bader<\/a> ginsberg against attacks by this president and failed to go so far as neil gorsuch did in saying the president s attacks on the judiciary are demoralizing and disheartening. He failed to establish that judicial independence. He has the right rhetoric, would be defended in practice, in real terms with real backbone, and that is the reason or one of them that i am committed to vote against him. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Joining us,
Gloria Borger<\/a>, john dean and
Carl Bernstein<\/a> as well. I dont know if surreal is the word were in this situation where you have all these senior officials coming forward and making statements to the president and then being read closely by the white house. Its a little kind of dare leaderish. The stunning notion to me, its not just
Senior Administration<\/a> officials, it is the
Vice President<\/a> of the
United States<\/a>, saying, i didnt say that the president is a
National Security<\/a> risk. It is people who are running the
Intelligence Community<\/a> who felt the need, the director of the\rfbi, who felt the need go out there and say, i didnt say that the president was a
National Security<\/a> risk. I mean, there is something so surreal, is the word about this, that this notion as these statements come in, somehow theyre being delivered, handdelivered to the president who is reading them, thats good, okay, fine, i know pence didnt do it. Lets go to the next one. The question is i would ask is, why believe any of them. I think jim acosta pointed that out. What good does it do . What does it matter in many ways . Does this focus on who it is and the search for it, does it take away the message this person was trying to get across . Absolutely. This could easily be a
Public Relations<\/a> ploy. This white house fully understands if you spend a lot of times trying to kill the\rmessenger, you can kill the message. We have to keep our focus on whats in the contents of that piece as well as in that search. If the white house is focusing on the search to distract from what the actual person was saying . I do. I think theyre smart enough to do that and very good on these kind of issues and know how to distract and throw dust in our eyes . Dont you think trump also want to know that . Of course he wants to know. We dont need to become obsessed with the search. I agree. We need to focus what the country is concerned about. Do you agree the white house is trying to essentially change the conversation . Very much so. As soon as david said it, it clicked, right on. This whole white house operation has mastered the art of deflecting attention. They do it consistently and do it very well. Is it possible it actually plays into the president s hands\rand the notion hes surrounded by people who are trying to thwart his will, his agenda . It does, or it can, because indeed, one of his themes and those of people around him, think there is a deep state conspiracy against
President Trump<\/a> an that theme is being repeated because of this letter in the
New York Times<\/a>, this piece in the
New York Times<\/a>. Whats really going on here is that
Bob Woodwards<\/a> book, and the contents of what is in the anonymous piece in the
New York Times<\/a>, those closest to the president of the
United States<\/a> are saying, we must save the country from the president of the
United States<\/a>. Incidentally, people, republicans in congress, this is no surprise to them. They have heard this from people\raround the president of the
United States<\/a>. Mitch mcconnell knows this kind of attitude about the danger posed by the president has been expressed to
Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> by people around the president. The same with paul ryan. What we need here are, finally, i think, some hearings on congressional hearings, in which an
Executive Session<\/a> or open session, those around the president of the
United States<\/a> are questioned about the fitness of donald trump to be the president of the
United States<\/a>. Thats whats at stake here. What we are talking about is a portrait by numerous people. In
Bob Woodwards<\/a> book, ive read the whole book, you see it so convincingly, in scene after scene after scene. Carl, why would anybody tell the truth in front of a pardon me . Why would anybody tell the truth if that is in fact what their opinion is, given all\rthese people have made statements saying, it wasnt me, it wasnt me. Nobody is standing up and saying, oh, yes, i agree with what this anonymous person said. Why would it be any different . I dont know what would happen. Its important. If you have bipartisan hearings, if the democrats were to win the house and you have republicans and democrats calling these people in, and there might be mixed opinions. There might be some gray areas, but it is very important for the leadership in the congress of the
United States<\/a> and the people of the
United States<\/a> to know whether or not donald trump is fit to be president , whether he is stable enough to be president , honest enough to be president , and has the capabilities of being president. That is what we are learning this week. The people closest to him have the gravest doubts. Theres no expressed appetite of republicans in congress to have you noticed that . Even talk about this, let alone hold hearings. Exactly. Republicans, as we all know, are whispering about this to each other. There are no profiles in courage up there because donald trump\rhas an 80 or 90
Approval Rating<\/a> with his party. The only thing i can see changing this is an election. Suddenly, if donald trump becomes as little less scary to republicans, if he loses the house, there will be all kinds of hearings, trust me. If the senate comes close or they lose the senate, then, its really goes to get bad for donald trump. Right now, these republicans and you heard bob corker say it today, a senator from tennessee who is leaving. Why is anybody surprised about this . We heard this stuff about donald trump. Nobody is going to do anything about it because theyre looking out for themselves. I know thats shocking. We will take a quick break and continue this discussion when we come back. Breaking news, senator blumenthal alluded to it a moment ago the
Kavanaugh Hearings<\/a> and whether the nominee will recuse himself as to the president. Senator cory booker will talk about what went on. Youre in the business of helping people. Were in the business of helping you. Business funding to help make a difference. Another way we have your back. The powerful backing of american express. Dont do business without it. Now tmobile has unlimited for the rest of us unlimited ways to be you. Unlimited ways to share with others. Unlimited ways to live for the moment all for as low as 30 bucks a line unlimited for you for them for all right now, get unlimited for as low at 30 bucks per line for four lines at tmobile chicken thats right, chicken . candace new
Chicken Creations<\/a> from starkist. Buffalo
Style Chicken<\/a> in a pouch bold choice, charlie just tear, eat. Mmmmm. And go try all of my
Chicken Creations<\/a> chicken \rwe talked a bit before the break about letting the risk of the search overshadow what the person wrote. Heres some of what this
Administration Official<\/a> wrote. The root of the problem is the president s amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles. Meetings with
Him Veer Off Topic<\/a> and off the rails and he engages in decisions that have to be walked back. There were early whispers of the cabinet invoking the
25th Amendment<\/a> which would start a complex process for removing the president. No one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis so we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until one way or another, its over. You have senator rand paul talk\rabout polygraphing people in the administration and polygraphs not admissible in court and not that necessarily reliable. Is there a danger how much this consumes the administration and it starts to eat itself. Absolutely. The polygraph would be an awful idea. I remember when
President Reagan<\/a> was very upset with all the leaks and said he had leaks up to his keister and started carrying on and started talking about polygraphs and dave schultz said the day you do that i walk out the door. You cant do that to people. And he killed it. We never went forward with it. I believe they work. It was my word against the acting fbi director. I went and took a polygraph, i passed it. We wanted pat gray to take one, two days later he left office. Would you support polygraphing everybody . Yeah. I think asking people to take\ra polygraph, its it suggests a level of distrust above what were seeing now. How many people will you polygraph . There are a lot of people in the realm of
Senior Administration<\/a> officials, and the amount of time not enough machines to do it on a mass scale. What about the irony of polygraphing people in the trump administration, where the president of the
United States<\/a> himself happens to be happens to be somebody who has problems telling the truth. Exactly. It would be the most ironic thing that would ever occur, this president of all people would would ask his own people to take polygraphs. I do think theres a very good chance whoever wrote the anonymous piece has already put out a statement of denial. Carl, i ive been rereading this polish journalist who wrote this famous book and i know this is a
Weird Tangent<\/a> but im reminded of it again. Happy to talk about him. The way they were devour itself and having these competing groups playing off and fearful of one another, it makes me feel like reading what this person said, just the intrigue in this white house is stunning. That is what
Bob Woodwards<\/a> book is about. And, again, what was written in the
New York Times<\/a>, it is about a president who is unhinged. And what we are watching in the president s response to trying to find this one person is an unhinged president looking for someone when in fact he ought to be doing the business of being the president of the
United States<\/a>. To glorias point, what comes through in
Bob Woodwards<\/a> book and what comes through in witness after witness after witness is
Donald Trumps<\/a> lying. The lying being what undoes him, and the reason those closest to him have concluded he cannot be fit to be the president because of the lying. His own lawyer, the last line in
Bob Woodwards<\/a> book is, trump had one overriding problem that the lawyer, dowd, knew, but could not bring himself to say to the president , you are an fg liar. That is what suffuses everything we are learning about the honorable supposedly people who serve him. They cant take the lying. No country can survive a president who lies like this. Thats what this is about. So what do you do then . Give the lying president a polygraph, if everybody else that goes to the question of the fitness this is all about the fitness of the president of the
United States<\/a> to be president. If the democrats take the house, perhaps there is a way to have truly bipartisan hearings with republicans as full participants, in which the fitness of the president and what these people are saying to bob woodward, these same people who are named incidentally, should come in and testify, and give their feelings about whether or not donald trump is fit to be the president of the
United States<\/a>. Thats the issue. I think that those that are calling for the
25th Amendment<\/a> and invoking the
25th Amendment<\/a> is premature. Too quick. Were in a gray area right now in which there are a lot of allegations but we really dont have this pinned down. What is needed i dont think anything will happen before the midterms. But after the midterms there needs to be some sort of mechanism exploring this question, whether open hearings or closed hearings. Truth and reconciliation . I think something and the
Republican Party<\/a> leadership\rbears responsibility here. If they know and let this go on, the
Republican Party<\/a> is culpable on this and it could destroy the party if theyre not careful. What is the
Tipping Point<\/a> . I dont think there is a
Tipping Point<\/a>. I think theres an exploration more serious than anything weve done. The
Tipping Point<\/a> would be their own selfinterest at a certain point. Politics. Its called politics. Theyre not going to do it on their own. They would have done it already. You can only tip over so many times, its tipped and spilled out. I agree. There has to be some way to move beyond you cant throw a president out based on a book by bob woodward, as much as i admire bob, i think hes wonderful, were talking about a need for the country to reach a consensus. Its also important to remember, john, what this writer is saying is its not just what this writer thinks, this writer is alleging there is a whole sea of people within the administration aware of this. That believes hes amoral and off the rails, that he really is somebody he is not a leader it is fascinating how the writer used phrases that mike pence used, lodestar, off the rails, a phrase john kelly allegedly used in the woodward book. Obviously, if theres a reason for that a little camouflage. I want to thank everybody, still. A lot to get to tonight, certainly whats become a washington obsession, whos behind that oped and whether its obscuring the actual message what that person said. Also tonight, we remember true hollywood star,
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Top White House<\/a> officials denying they wrote that notorious oped. Heres that list again with officials denying they wrote it. And bob corker,
Gloria Borger<\/a> mentioned a while ago not that much about who did it but the perception when you get down to it, it could have been almost anybody. I think a lots been made out of nothing. The
Biggest Issue<\/a> they will have is figuring out
Who Wouldnt Have Written<\/a> a letter like that. Who wouldnt have written a letter like that. Quite a question there from the republican senator. 360s randi kaye has more on the
Guessing Game<\/a>. Reporter three little words. Theyre saying
Senior Administration<\/a> official. Reporter have set off a collective game of clue across the country. Is it a
Trump Appointee<\/a> . Is he in the white house . Reporter calling all amateur sleuths. There are plenty of suspects. Did you have other guests . There are good people in the administration, like dan coats, somebody who, you know, realizes the horror of what happened in helsinki, and people like general mattis. We wont know. I dont know when we will find out who anonymous is. Reporter when or if. One former speechwriter for president bill clinton thinks anonymous could be a speechwriter, too. It reads like a speechwriter and a lot of alliteration, words starting the same way. Reporter like this. It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era. Others are speculating its the president s chief of staff. An unnamed
Senior Administration<\/a> official. Kelly would be high on my list. Reporter general john kelly has a
Military Background<\/a> and the buzzword lodestar, used in the oped is a
Military Term<\/a>. Sounds like a
Military Term<\/a> to me. Reporter others are quick to point out lodestar is a word mike pence likes to use. Vigilance and resolve will be our lodestar. Be our lodestar. With vigilance and resolve as our lodestar. Its too obvious to say lodestar when youre pence. Youve used it a million times. If you want to be conspiratorial, its even possible someone wrote it knowing that the word lodestar was a favorite word of
Vice President<\/a> pence and wanted to either
Cast Suspicion<\/a> on the
Vice President<\/a> or wanted to distract attention from themselves. Reporter the
Guessing Game<\/a> moved into hyper drive with\rnames such as white house counsel, don mcgahn. Cia director, gina haspel and even george conway, married to
Kellyanne Conway<\/a> and often trolls trump on twitter. Its not clear to us anyway its somebody in the white house. He may be a guy inside the white house. He may be upper level, lower level, maybe hes in the
Old Executive Office<\/a> building. Reporter the 538th, nate silver makes a living with predictions zeroed in on antitrade, tweeting it made him wonder if its someone in treasury or highly concerned with economic policy. Whoever anonymous is, its a whodunit tailormade for tv. Im surprised by how good a writer ivanka is. Reporter randi kaye, cnn, new york. With me now is cnn chief political correspondent, dana brash and douglas brinkley, saw in randis report. Youve been talking to sources,
Whats Going On<\/a> behind the scenes . It really is still an explosion of anger. What we saw in the initial outburst yesterday we saw in public when the president came out and talked about all the great things his administration has done, has become a little bit less so according to people im talking to who are speaking to those in and around the president , and more kind of a i
Wouldnt Say Shoulder Shrug<\/a> but more of a hope that this is like so many other big explosions in the media that make the president look bad and ends up being sort of overtaken by
Something Else<\/a> that happens in the world and maybe
Something Else<\/a> that the president is doing. He knows how to try to distract. This does seem different but we have seen that before. There actually is more than i thought there would be, anderson, even from people who might at least on some level\ragree with the substance of what was written, some feeling that this is just wrong. You heard it from democrats as well, believe it or not, this is wrong to do it this way, do it anonymously, come out in way that looks heroic but more and more people i talk to said its more of a cowardice way. You heard from senator blumenthal that this person should come forward because theres more this person knows and should tell the country about. It comes on the heels of
Bob Woodwards<\/a> book that describes staffers thwarting the president , while the white house has denied the account, the oped suggests they trust him less. As a president ial historian, is there anything else to compare this to . First off, anonymous has half a spine, to do this, brave to do this in the
New York Times<\/a> and not to put your name forward. Its only been a day or two and\rsee if somebody comes forward and owns up to. It may be a
Cabal Working<\/a> within the administration. Everybody thinks of this strange and twisted times, brings you back to richard nixon. We spent a lot of time talking about him on cnn. It does remind me of nixon in 1974, when nixon was unraveling in watergate and
Henry Kissinger<\/a> would come in and nixon would bark an order and people wouldnt follow his major directives because they thought the president was a bit out to lunch or drinking or having stress. I think thats what were having now. A lot of people are concerned about the
Mental Health<\/a> of donald trump. Nobody doubts he can do a great rally. Nobody doubts hes a genius at media. The question with the
25th Amendment<\/a> being raised, i think is not going to happen, just being talked about, is he fit for command . And how in the modern world do we judge
Psychiatric Health<\/a> of a\rpresident . These are big questions. But also anonymous, you mentioned the joe clyde book in the clinton years and i mentioned during
Harry Trumans<\/a> year,
George Kennan<\/a> was mr. X for a while, we get these palace intrigues, government washington intrigues for a while but this one is really weird. Beyond the whodunit, somebody who is close to the trump world, part of trump world but not in the white house say to me earlier today there is genuine concern that what were seeing is the tip of the iceberg and the question is whats underneath. By that, this person meant whats underneath in terms of the real opposition to the president from within. We know about the resistance outside and that was the point of this oped. How deep does that iceberg go within his own administration . If this person is to be believed who wrote this it\rcertainly seems like there are a number of others with whom theyre communicating. And look, the reality is we have spoken to a lot of people at various levels across our network and other
News Organizations<\/a> who at various times have raised offtherecord concerns. This is a different situation, when you have somebody writing it again, we dont know who that somebody is, we have to trust the times it really is senior. Thanks so much. I want to bring is chris to see what hes working on for cuomo primetime. I like the motive of adding to your conversations. I dont like listening to myself. Whodunit, thats candy for us. We love a scoop, want to know who it is. If its a big shot it matters, if it isnt, it really doesnt except to put a light on the
New York Times<\/a> decision. However, what have they done opposed to whodunit is a really important speculation. This speculation this feels like the end of something. I think dana is right, only the beginning, a reflection how its being handle by the president , by all accounts is poorly. We will get into it tonight. What does it mean for the
Trump White House<\/a> . What does it mean on the other side of this notion of
Whats Going On<\/a> in the white house, all done in the shadow of this kavanaugh hearing, who is someone else who could go by the title of anonymous right now because we dont know anything about the guy from these hearings. Thats true. Chris starts in 18 minutes. And the president will be speaking and it will be interesting if he actually talks about this or tries to distract with
Something Else<\/a>. Im sure youll follow up on that. And
Breaking News<\/a> tonight talking with new jersey senator cory booker, whether he would recuse himself as to
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Senate Hearings<\/a> in court, new jersey senator cory booker pushed judge kavanaugh whether he would recuse himself if any case about trump came\rbefore the high court. And whether booker would risk expulsion from the senate as to emails he sent out as
Committee Confidential<\/a>. I knowingly violated the rules that were put forth and im told that the
Committee Confidential<\/a> rules have knowing consequences. So, sir, i come from a long line, as all of us do as americans and understand what that kind of
Civil Disobedience<\/a> is. I understand the consequences. I am right now before your process is finished, i will release the email about racial profiling. I understand the penalty comes with potential ousting from the senate. If
Senator Cornyn<\/a> believes i have violated senate rules i openly invite and accept the consequences of my team releasing that email right now. Republicans pushed back later and said he and his staff had already been informed those documents could be released. I spoke with senator booker just before the broadcast. Senator booker, you just finished your second round of\rquestioning of judge kavanaugh and asked if he would recuse himself in any case with
President Trump<\/a> . Why should he recuse himself . Should all candidates recuse themselves from those that nominated him . No. This candidate has a long shadow over him. From the president s
Federalist List<\/a> that he wasnt originally on until the
Mueller Investigation<\/a> started. And then, he appeared on the list. And hes the only person who has spoken on multiple occasions, written about, on one hand raised his hand about the issue of can a president be investigated, can a president be indicted. It is clear the signal was sent whether intentionally or not, im a person who believes a president shouldnt be investigated or indicted, thats a long
Shadow Hanging<\/a> over a person whos being nominated by a president who asks for
Loyalty Tests<\/a> and literally said i wouldnt have appointed the
Attorney General<\/a> if i had known he would have recused himself. Theres such a shadow that would undermind the liggettcy of what he has to do. Of the decisionmaking, he would step out of the process and eight justices to recuse himself. You call the process a sham. Do you think kavanaugh has been honest in his testimony . I guess the issue for me, the
Document Release<\/a> theyve been work represents only about 10 of the totality of his documents. In the little we got called
Committee Confidential<\/a> i continue tweeting out today against that sham rule there are a lot of nuggets there worthy of asking this candidate. This morning you said you would break senate rules to kavanaugh and said you were willing to risk expulsion to do that and now the republicans said the documents had been approved to be released this morning and accusing you of a political stunt to bolster\ra run for the president. Was it a stunt . The amusing thing about that is what cornyn first said, he threatened me with expulsion. He was doing that because last night i broke the senate rules by reading from that email. And then today throughout the entire day, this is not just about one email, ive already released over 20
Committee Confidential<\/a> documents in violation of what they say are the senate rules in which cornyn said i should be expelled for. So according to cornyns rules, its a lot of talk, a lot of bluster right now. I am breaking the rules. But i was raised and taught that an unjust law, you almost have an obligation to stand against it. So i am violating those laws. I have been doing all day, and it was an unjust law. You see theres no consequence. They will not move to expel me from the senate for violating the
Committee Confidential<\/a> rules and i will continue to do so because i believe the public has the right to know where he stands on these issues. Was it a violation . Bill burke said he cleared the documents before 4 00 a. M. Per your staffs request and that they had told you you could use them publicly. Grassleys office also confirmed you were told that the restrictions on the documents had been waived before you spoke today. So how do you square that with the idea that with what youve said . Well, i square that very easily. Number one, last night i broke the rules before they then they scrambled to release the document. But i continue to release documents. Ive released 20 so far that they have not cleared. I am breaking the rules. I am breaking the sham rules. 20 documents if you check my twitter feed. Anybody in the public now can have access to the ones they wanted to hide. They havent cleared those yet. Maybe theyre rushing to catch up to me and clear those as well. Today, though, earlier had those been cleared and did you know those had been cleared . Again, when i broke the
Committee Rules<\/a> last night, those documents had not been cleared. At the end of the day, do you have any reason to believe that kavanaugh is not going to get the votes for confirmation . Um, i dont. But, again, what my duty is, is to try to properly vet this candidate so that i can give advice and consent. Its written in the constitution. And to properly vet somebody, you should have the fullness of their record. For some reason, the fullness of their record is being hidden from the american public. We only have about 10 of these documents. 90 of his resume is being hidden. I pushed documents out about a lot of
Different Things<\/a> today against the rules of the senate against the rules, excuse me, of the committee. Thats just the tip of the iceberg. Thats just a drop in the bucket of the totality of the documents out there that theyve been hiding. Appreciate your time. Quick reminder, dont miss full circle on facebook. You get to pick some of the story we cover. Join us at 6 25 p. M. Eastern. If you havent seen the show, its a lot of fun. One of americas most recognizable, beloved movie stars has died. Coming up, the life and career of the one of a kind
Burt Reynolds<\/a>. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. Sally field today honored the man who once called her the love of she called the love of her life. Burt reynolds died today at age 82. He was for anyone my age iconic as was his romance with sally field, who told
People Magazine<\/a> there are times in your life that are so indelible, they never fade away. Heres why. Youve got a great profile. Yeah, i do, dont i . Especially from the side. Burt reynolds knew what he had. He also knew that you knew. Yet he never seemed to take it all too seriously because he also knew that he and we were all just along for the ride. The kind of ride in the kind of car in the kind of movie that for 96 minutes in 1977 made us\rforget those very troubled times and ignore one big sign of them. The one that says speed limit, 55. Smokey and the bandit made more than a quarter billion dollars at the box office and made a black trans am the car to have. It made
Burt Reynolds<\/a> an icon. He had already been a star for years. We get connected up with that body and the law, this thing is going to be hanging over us the rest of our lives. The 1972 film deliverance transported him from
Journeyman Actor<\/a> to leading man and scared us all to death along the way. Two years later in
The Longest Yard<\/a> he played the
Football Player<\/a> hed been in real life until injury led him to acting. Hed return to the game and fun and games in semitough, perfecting the persona that would make
Smokey Catch Fire<\/a> and
Cannonball Run<\/a> and smokey 2 into the 80s. Jack horner, filmmaker. He faded, then came back big in
Boogie Nights<\/a> and a string of other smaller parts that showed off his range and one critics over. But at the end of the day, at the end of a career few could even hope for and the end of it all, hell always be remembered for the kind of easy charm we all wish we had. Dont you ever take that hat off for anything . Sure. I take it off for one thing and one thing only. Oh. If we were lost on a
Desert Island<\/a> together yes . Do you think wed get along and talk and things . [ laughter ] sure. Yeah, wed get along. It would never be boring, i can tell you that. It would never be boring. Take your hat off","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"https:\/\/vimarsana.com\/images\/vimarsana-bigimage.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240618T12:35:10+00:00"}