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Set. So marshall, this is a big day for the country, a big day in history. A lot of it, it was this wall be happening Behind Closed Doors with no cameras in the courtroom. But what can we expect . We wont see anything. We wont hear anything will be totally reliant on our colleagues in the room. They can provide realtime updates in writing and sketches. Of course, look, its been a long time coming. Here we are. Donald trump faces 34 felony counts. These are state charges. He cant pardon himself. If he is ultimately convicted. And the theory of the case is falsification of Business Records all about that. Hush money payment to Stormy Daniels how they use the ledger of the Trump Organization to funnel that money to Michael Cohen after the fact and the prosecutor say that it was essentially a cover up, cooking the books so a lot of the names, a lot of the people who are involved in this trial are quite familiar to anybody whos been following trumps travails for the past few years, who are the Major Players . And do we know anything about the witnesses and how therell be called the Major Players. Alex is a throwback to 2016. Yes, we are in 2024 now, looking forward to the next election, but this is all hello, about two elections ago. Michael cohen the longtime fixer for donald trump, who is now one of trumps biggest enemies. Hes a lead witness for the prosecution. No love lost their start. Yeah. They they hate each other. This point its Stormy Daniels, of course, also expected to take the stand. Shes the one who alleges the affair, which donald trump denies. Theres also hope hicks, she was a Campaign Official in 2016. Part of that behind the scenes scramble. Remember the access hollywood tape, right . When that came out, the campaign was terrified that more stuff would come out. Thats what triggered the payment to Stormy Daniels . That was right before the election, right before i think it was the last week of october close. Yeah. Just a few days before theres also a man named david. He ran National Enquirer. The prosecutors alleged in there and diamond that he and donald trump met in 2015 dean, and agreed that would catch and kill any negative stories like store media annuals, like another woman who alleged affair Karen Mcdougal purchased the rights of the story bury it, makes sure that the voters would never do it. I think one of the most incredible things about this is that donald trump has to be in court his standing as a former president is not getting them out of that. So what do we expect in terms of timeline and how much trump is going to have to be in court. So four days a week, i think they have brakes on wednesdays so donald trump is required to be there, like you said, this is how it goes for anybody who is standing trial on a criminal charge in this respect, trump is just like any other citizen. That means he wont be on the Campaign Trail and they are expecting this to last perhaps six weeks that gets us through april through may into june. And he has been complaining about the fact that while President Biden gets to be out on the campaign, Campaign Trail, he will not be there. He will be stuck in that courtroom. Marshall cohen, we know you will be following every twist and turn in this trial. Thank you so much for joining us. Of course, you in just a little bit. Lets talk more about this unprecedented moment with cnn legal planless norm eisen and michael moore, a former us attorney. Thank you both for joining us on the eve of this incredible moment. Norm, i want to start with you. Youve been up against donald trump before. You advise the House Democrats on how to go after trump in that first impeachment trial, you even written a book about how to prosecute trump what is your sense of this moment and how massive it is for the country . Its both something that weve never had before as a nation, a criminal prosecution of a former president and the most ordinary of events, thousands, Tens Of Thousands of criminal defendants going through the motions. Ill be in court every day, including for cnn opinion, i was there last week, alex and what i saw was this juxtaposition between the extraordinary in historic event of donald trump in the dock as you note, ive litigated against him before we looked at these identical allegations in the first impeachment. But also the ordinariness jurors being called jurors being questioned the usual rules, evidentiary motions and that juxtaposition is one of the things that will define this trial as we go Forward Together with a battle. Every trial is a battle of two ideas. This one the prosecution says criminal Election Interference in 2016, theyre trying to describe it as a very important democracy matter. Donald trump will say, its just some wrong Bookkeeping Entries a personal packet delay. Embarrassing, not a crime. And the jury has now been set 12 jurors plus the six alternate its michael you were a us attorney for several years, given your experience, what are you going to be listening for during those opening arguments tomorrow . Yeah well. Im glad to be with both this Opening Statement is really a time to connect with the jury and what you dont want to do as a lawyer is overpromise, are oversell your case because at the end of the de that gives the other side the chance to say, well, mr. Smith told you he could prove this, but hes not done that. So i really think therell be trying to bag to trap a little bit to keep the jurors interested. I think theyll try to give a roadmap for what their evidence will be. And they may talk some about some experts expected defenses that they may here are expecting to hear at least from witnesses for the defense if if in fact they put on witnesses. So its not going to be its its not hi evidence juries are told this is not evidence, but they do listen to it to try to have some relationship, i think with the lawyers and a good tool for a lawyer to try to develop that relationship early on. So that as things happen in the trial, that jury looks to that lawyer because they trust him or her moving forward and in terms of the witnesses norm just heard marshall, theyre laying out some of the bigger names who who could be called but the prosecutor so far have refused to reveal this witness list with the defense. They have cited trumps previous tweets about witnesses as their pretexts, their judge mark sean is saying that he wont force them to hand it over. Do you think the judge made the right move there when it comes to the witnesses, i think the judge has been very cautious. I think the prosecutors will get the name of the first witness tonight. This will be attached this will be a test very likely. This will be a test. Alex of, you know, will there be an immediate pivot to attacking whoever that witness would be . There has been public reporting that it will be david the publisher of the National Enquirer thats who i would call when i was preparing last week. Thats the first witness i would call because coming out of those Opening Statements where you say what you will prove, youve got to grab that jury by the lapels the way they are going to prove this case is to say there was an agreement to make these payments to influence the election. How do we know that . Because starting in trump tower in 2015, Michael Cohen donald trump, and david National Enquirer agreed to a catch and kill scheme. And when the stormy to influence the election to avoid bad stories. And when the Stormy Daniels thing came along in october 20 when he it was just another step in that the unfolding of that agreement, so that is if true, a good place to start with because he gives you another witness a dramatic opening scene for your trial starts to set it up with that full mark, that full narrative michael in terms of the the jury and the pressure that they may be feeling, weve already heard some concerns from some of them about being exposed. We can certainly imagine there could be some Security Concerns do you think that the judge will end up making the decision to sequester the jury he could i mean, i think it would just depend on how far things go as astray as they move forward. I mean, no juror likes to be in this situation. I may need to think about their everyday folks. This is not except for the lawyers may be on the jury that we have to two on this jury this is not how they make their living. This is what what they do every day. Loggers forget to we may be careful a courtroom that jurors are not. And certainly when theyre under this this type of pressure in this type of case, i mean, youd have to do much to realize that the import of the case that they were going to be hearing, especially when theyre talking about weeks of trial Going Forward. So if if somebody starts putting out addresses, if they start revealing identities, if there are things that they can point to and social media, those are the kind of things. And i think the judge may in fact say, look just to keep the trial clean, were going to sequester the jury. He has seemed to be averse to doing that, and i think thats smart, frankly, in this okay. So thus far, but if things get too out of hand, he certainly has that option norm. The former president has said that he would consider testifying himself. If you were the former president s attorneys what would you be telling him . I would tell him if you do that. Im quitting. I would throw my body in front of this be because its a terrible idea why . Donald trump cannot open his mouth without risking ally, the Washington Post found over 31,000 lies during dependency of his presidency he standing there coming out of court every day saying the most outrageous, inaccurate, and false things. Just a few feet away from where we reporters and analysts are sitting and watching. So i think its extremely perilous that donald trump makes his own case worse compromises himself in front of the jury. Thats in the liability phase. Thats it. In terms of guilty or not. But then theres a sentencing that will come after that if he is held guilty and the one thing judges hate more than anything else . Is when a defendant gets on the stand and lies to them and their juries. So it considerably worsens his peril at sentencing which i think is already significant. Have a piece in the New York Times today saying he could face a risk of getting a Jail Sentence here if he testifies, he makes that a lot more likely, a lot easier for the prosecution. Norm eisen, michael moore. Thank you both for previewing what is going to be an extraordinary few weeks ahead and a note as norm mentioned, hes gonna be in the courtroom every single day and hes been providing a legal experts take on those developments for cnn opinion in that starts tomorrow with the Opening Statements. So look for that on cnn. Com. Thank you both for joining me this evening. We will have special coverage of those Opening Statements and former president trumps criminal hush money trial that starts at 9 00 a. M. Tomorrow. 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Sanjay gupta and this is cnn President Joe Biden is now urging the senate to move quickly and pass the mass of 96 billion foreign aid package that finally clear the House Of Representatives yesterday after months of delays, centers will have to come back from recess this week to vote on the package before the president and sign it once it has bidens signature, will greenlight 61 billion for ukraine. Much of it in desperately needed military aid alongside billions more in aid to israel allies in asia, particularly taiwan for what this means to ukraine. Lets, lets turn to cnn, Senior International correspondent Fred Pleitgen, who is in the ukrainian capital of kyiv fred, ukrainian officials that we both been speaking with for months now has been very worried that this aid might never have come yeah they certainly have been. And and right now, theyre saying that this aid really cant come fast enough, alex, because the situation on the battlefield, but also because the ukrainian say theyre running so low on a lot of the ammunitions that they need. And quite frankly, the us can provide very quickly. First and foremost is of course, Artillery Ammunition that ukraine means are saying that one of the reasons theyre having so many Problems Holding the russians off, especially in the south and the east of the countrys abuse, they simply cant fire at them from a a fairly Long Distance using those western artillery guns because they simply dont have enough shells to do so. The other big thing that weve been hearing, especially from the president Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Again, he said it today he quickly is Air Defense Missiles as well. Of course we know that the russians have really escalated their attacks on the front lines using their air force, but then also missile and rocket attacks that ukrainian cities and Ukrainian Energy infrastructure and the ukrainians are saying they badly need to replenish the arsenal of

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