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CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy Harlow July 2, 2018

Loyalty a number of times in this interview, whether he would put trump first, whether he would go out of his way to protect his former boss. Very telling was this one thing he said about how he is not going to be used anymore and he is not the bad guy in this story. Take a look. He said, i will not be a punching bag as part of anyones defense strategy. I am not a villain in the story, and i will not allow others to try to depict me that way. Very striking because up until this point, especially since the fbi raided his home and office a couple months ago, he has not been saying a lot. The fact he is coming out to say this is where i stand and im not going to be the guy that takes a bullet for President Trump, that tone of defensiveness is very, very interesting. His tone when it comes to the fbi and russia investigation very interesting. He is distancing himself from President Trump on two major issues. First as you said is this fbi raid when they came in and raided his home, his office, his hotel room. Trump, of course, was very critical of this at the time. You might recall that he said this was disgraceful, this was an attack on our country. Now cohen is saying, he supports the fbi doing this and sort of going through due process. He says, i dont agree with those who demonize or vilify the fbi. I respect the fbi as an institution as well as their agency. Even said the agents were respectful and courteous when they did the raids. He is speaking out on the Robert Mueller russia investigation which, of course, President Trump has repeatedly said is a witch hunt. Cohen is saying this. He says, i dont like the term witch hunt. As an american, i repudiate any foreign governments attempt to interfere in our democratic process. He said accepting putins denial is unsustainable. I choose to believe our intelligence agencies. Of course, the underlying suggestion in all of this is that Michael Cohen is not on the same team as donald trump. He is, of course, under criminal investigation. There have been no charges brought so far. What we dont know right now is whether he is willing to strike a deal and whether investigators will want that. The context and tone of all of this is very interesting heading into all of that. Gives us lots to talk about. Thank you. I want to bring in paul callen. Theres so much to look at here. The most surprising, i would argue, is the fact that Michael Cohen sat down for this interview at all. I would imagine as his counsel, you would say, not the best idea. Yeah. Its really shocking. I say that because Defense Attorneys always say to their clients, do not speak to the press. You never know whats going to happen in an interview. The client can get himself into trouble. While on the one hand, he is disassociating himself from major themes of the Trump Administration, that we cant trust our intelligence sources about the russians, that the fbi is inherently corrupt and not trustworthy. He is embracing these agencies in his statement. He is emphasizing that he is well aware of his family and his need to be loyal to them and not anybody else. It looks to me, erica, like he is firing a warning shot across the bow of President Trump. At the same time, he is trying to clean up his public image and create sort of a warm and friendly Michael Cohen, which hasnt been his image previously. No. It has not. Its interesting in terms of the warning shot, too, very clear that family comes first. It also stood out that he said, after going through his wife, daughter, son, my family and country first. Thats a clear message as well. Yes. Thats an absolutely clear message. I will toell you one other clea message. That as of this moment, he is not cooperating with federal prosecutors. I say that because, when a witness is cooperating with federal prosecutors, first thing theyre going to tell him is, keep your mouth shut and talk only to us. You notice, we didnt see general flynn making public statements, papadopoulos making public statements when they made a deal, or gates for that matter as well. I think thats an indication he is shopping a deal but he doesnt have one yet. Shopping a deal, maybe letting prosecutors know and the president know as well. President trump tweeting a couple of months ago his clear thoughts on anyone who was going to decide to, in his view, flip, saying that ultimately these people would just be liars, im paraphrasing, people will flip if the government lets them out of trouble, even if it means lying or making up stories. I dont see michael doing that. Im not clear if he doesnt see him working with the government, lying. Jeffrey toobin was clear that the government does not entice people to lie as some sort of an arrangement. Its important that we reiterate that. I saw jeffrey this morning when he made that statement, that federal prosecutors dont lie. I do a lot of defense work. I think they do lie from time to time. I dont think they set out to lie. They choose to believe what will help their case. Like a lot of prosecutors do. Sometimes they make mistakes and they accept the testimony of somebody who is lying as truthful. Lets just say they might make a mistake, okay, and endorse the testimony of a liar. I dont give federal prosecutors a clean bill of Health Across the board. I think jeffrey talked about another thing i think when he spoke thats very important. Cohen is being investigated by the Southern District of new york for local charges. They probably, i think, have to do with his taxi medallions. Theres been a huge controversy with taxi medallions and their fight with uber er with uber i. Cohen was involved in that industry. Im betting the Southern District investigation is focused on that. I wonder how much information he really has to give about trump as president. Most of his information is probably trump as businessman before he became president. That might be trumps achilles heel, things that went on in the Trump Organization before the president was running. So many questions about that. Just want to get your take on this. He was asked about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels. He replied, i want to answer. One day i will answer. For now, i cant comment further on advice of my counsel. He was asked whether the president had directed him to make that payment or promised to reimburse him. We know that question is not going away. What does his nonanswer say . Thats the one area where cohen knows that there are pending federal cases. Remember, daniels lawyer filed many things. The stay could be lifted on the lawsuits and the attorney for Stormy Daniels could go into court saying he is revealing his testimony publically. Why cant i take his deposition . Very wisely his attorneys have said, keep quiet, completely, about the Stormy Daniels controversy to keep yourself out of court. Not quiet on the other stuff. Thank you. Good seeing you. Happening overnight, mexicos next president obrador winning in a landslide. The left wing former mayor of mexico city promising sweeping changes including a new relationship with the United States. He sa its his relationship with President Trump who has many wondering how they will get along. Both far apart when it comes to the border wall, even nafta. Joining me is leyla santiago. Good morning. Reporter good morning. Obrador is known as amlo here, a former mayor of mexico city. He has run for president of mexico twice before this. This round, his message really resonated with voters because for them, this was about corruption, tackling that big issue, along with violence. Mexico at an alltime high on homicides right now. Also a big factor here is the fact that this will change the dynamic between mexico and the United States with this new president. Mexicos president elect has said that he wants a friendship with the u. S. , cooperation for development and Mutual Respect on both sides. President trump also tweeted congratulating him last night saying he is looking forward to working with him. Two very polite initial statements as they launch this new relationship. I gotta tell you, theres some big issues on the table right now that could become very contentious. Theres immigration. Amlo wrote a book called listen trump. He fought back on the idea of the wall saying theres no way this will resolve any issues. He is very much against it. When it comes to trade, nafta, that Free Trade Agreement between canada, mexico and the u. S. , he originally was very critical of it. With the campaign and some pressure from Business Leaders here, he has said that he plans to keep it in place. Much like trump, he has said that this deal needs to be better for his country. A lot of analysts really say that these two leaders are actually very similar in terms of being in line of their country first. He said its mexico first. We will see how this new dynamic plays out as they move forward with some very big issues. Leyla santiago, thank you. As we know, trade, a source of growing tension between mexico and the United States. Now were getting a closer look at the white houses thinking on u. S. Trade policy. An official telling cnn the Trump Administration drafted a bill that would move the u. S. Away from World Trade Organization principals and give the president more power to change policies on his own. That shows exactly what this white house is thinking about these big global trade agreements and big global trade obligations. The United States has spent 30 years pursuing. The president is mistrustful of them. He thinks america can get a better deal. People think its unrealistic to pull away from the wto. What is that . Its 166 nations or so who together have collective rules about trade, about discriminating against trading partners and about tariffs and how high they can be set and limits on tariffs. The United States goes to the wto when theres a complaint. More often than not, the United States wins when it goes to that governing body. The president is distrustful of the wto. We have seen that in many other of the big global alliances the president questions. This comes in a really important week here. The word of the week is escalation. Maybe retaliation. Those two big words. Yesterday, you saw canada retaliate against the u. S. In its steel and aluminum tariffs and impose 12. 5 billion on its own. Big tariffs on 40 plus steel products. Then this week, you will hear by the end of the week we will know and see the United States putting tariffs on 34 billion worth of chinese goods. The chinese say they will retaliate as well. Again, retaliation and escalation. The big part of the story, so important to watch, the Trump Administration has ordered an official investigation into National Security and imports of foreign automobiles. You could see this be a really big new front in the trade war. Already, the europeans have said, if the u. S. Tries to restrict imports or raise tariffs on imports of foreign cars into the United States, there would be retaliation, up to 300 billion on other u. S. Goods. On several fronts this is a very big week in a potential global trade war. Thank you. Still to come, its t minus seven days. The countdown is on. For what . President trump announcing his pick for the Supreme Court. 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He has narrowed his original list of 25 potential candidates down to about five. He said he may interview up to seven for this post. Clearly, the white house moving as quickly as they can to get this done and over to the senate. On that list of people are several people who have ties to Justice Anthony kennedy who is leaving his post on the Supreme Court. One that has tied to Justice Scalia who died a few years ago. These are people with top pedigrees in the legal world. The president , according to the washington post, telling his aides, he wants his potential nominees to be exceptionally kwau p qualified. He wants them to have top tier legal pedigrees. One of the main issues that were looking at here is the issue of abortion. This is one that is central to a lot of democrats who are worried about who the president might pick. Also to some moderate republicans, including republican Susan Collins from maine. Collins spoke to jake tapper on sunday. They said she believed roe versus wade, the foundational Supreme Court decision that establishes a right to abortion in the u. S. , she believes thats settled law. She would vote against a nominee who indicated that that person would seek to overturn roe versus wade. President trump hasnt said that he would ask about this issue of roe versus wade. We know the president is picking from a list of Supreme Court candidates who have all been vetted by a slew of conservative groups. Its very unlikely that any of those candidates are personally or professionally in support of abortion. For a lot of people on the conserve of it side, whether this question is asked or not, its almost a moot point. They have believe all of the candidates would be strong in their view on that issue of abortion. Abby phillip, thank you. Joining me to discuss further, Ranking Member of the judiciary committee, congressman. We know these things happen in the senate. I heard your reaction there to senator collins saying her take on this when she spoke with jake. You laughed when she said i want a justice who looks at this as settled law. The president said when it comes to marriage equality, i look at that as settled law. Its nonsense. The Supreme Court just ruled 54 a week and a half ago to overturn a 1977 decision that was settled law to hinder labor unions. They can talk about settled law. Anybody on that list from the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society is going to vote to overturn roe versus wade, vote to make abortion illegal, vote to make Union Organizing terrible, they will vote to privately ban states from any kind of reasonable gun legislation, theyre going to vote to use the First Amendment religious Liberty Klaus clause you cant enforce public accommodation to gay people. They are going to gut much of what we have learned. They are going to use the laws we have seen on the Affordable Care act, they started down the road of restricting the Commerce Clause and spending power so most minimum wage is in for economic regulation is declared unconstitutional. They will go back before the new deal. Those are concerns. The chances of a justice not only being nominated on monday but being confirmed in the senate prior to the november midterm elections, very high. Theres not a lot democrats can do at this point. This is going to be very powerful for the republicans in terms of energizing the vote. Are you concerned that it could have the opposite affect on democrats for november . No. I think it will energize democratic vote is energized. Its energized for a lot of reasons, because of the savage brutality of the Trump Administration with respect to immigrants, with family sep

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