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0 first a few house rules nobody calling anybody governor. it s just too confusing? scott? jack? brian and newt? three governors and a speaker. sounds like a movie. a bad movie. in the crossfire, delaware governor jack mar kell, and wisconsin governor scott walker. he s just published a new book unintimidated. brian, since i ve been a governor, you ought to dive in first, because you sort of get what this is all about and why state capitals are so different. the unemployment rate in wisconsin is about 6.5%, about 50% higher than minnesota, iowa, north and south dakota and nebraska, your neighbors. we governors, we always brag we re going to create jobs and we re judged on how we create those jobs. people are watching. are you letting people down? no, actually the opposite. four years ago we were about the same level, four years ago, wisconsin had a.32% illinois with a 9.4%. today illinois has a 9% unemployment. we have 6.5%. but historically long before i was governor but more importantly when you were running in 2010, you told everyone you were creating new private-sector jobs, and i think well, by the time you finish in 2014, i think you re 90 or 100,000 people? have you broke your promise to your constituents? can you run for reelection if you don t get to 250,000? it was 2015, and a stark contrast, under my predecessor, we lost 133 thousand. so i want to make up for those jobs. they have to trust you to get reelected? by 2015, that s the promise we made. that s why we created a better business climate. we took an unemployment rate right where the state of illinois is right now, and we dropped it down to 6.5%. you ve faced somewhat similar problems, delaware has lost about 5,000 jobs, though in a terrible national economy. to what extent is part of the challenge just the whoa nature of the obama economy and the degree to which the general is not creating the economic growth we would like? let s face it, the financial crisis was an unbelievable catastrop catastrophe. we ve had many jobs of growth. i think the bigger issue is what is the changed role with the u.s. economy and global economy? that s something we have to make sure that people understand. when i talk to folks in delaware, how we can make businesses more successful frankly it comes down to the quality of the workforce. that s going on across the country. so from your perspective, how much of it is what you can do to make delaware competitive, and how much of it is caught up in this large i national economic challenge? i think to some extent the rising tide lifts all boats, but that being said, i don t think you ll find any governor prepared to sit back and wait for the national economy to get better on its own. we compete with each other all the time, but it certainly helps when the overall economy is growing. scott, the republicans here in washington, d.c., they re actually polling lower than the belly of the snake. you ve had an op-ed that criticized the republicans here for the shutdown. could you please explain that? i think government is too big, too expensive, grown too far into our lives. but i think for what s left and what is necessary. it shall work. i realize it wasn t just one set of lawmakers who were respond, it was kind of the whole group, but the reality, i think across the nation, you see governors showing that they can work. there are 30 in america that have stepped up thinking we think the government should be and we have an optimistic message that s working. you think ted cruz is hurting the brand name of the republicans nationwide? i think that every republican out there has a but he s the mastermind of the shutdown. i think the media loves to hone in on one or two people, especially? states like ohio, michigan i m talking about his strategy. did his strategy worked of leading the republican party to the shutdown? i think in the end the fact that we re back on focus on obama care is where we need to be as americans. is that really where americans need to be? don t they need to be focused on a growth agenda? yeah scott, i have to disagree. certainly the roll-out has been flawed. that being said there s so many budding entrepreneurs who have wanted to go out on their own, they felt that they ve been locked in to employer based health care. now this is the first time to get out, start a business, because they ll be able to get a policy on their own. on cnn earlier, a handful, and literally a handful are the ones signing up. that will be part of the problems, whether or not it can be successful. it was about access, was about cost. in our case, wisconsin, we were one of the few states with no coverage gap, so access wasn t the issue. it was the cost. instead of this being an affordable care act, it s exceptionally tun affordable. i have to agree. i don t know how it is in your state, but it is in ours for sure. i spoke to a guy name phil katz, couldn t get any care because he wife had a preexisting condition. he was frustrated because it did take a few weeks to navigate the website, but at the end of the day they have reduced their monthly bill by $800, reduced the deductible by $2,000, and i think once the website is working, we re going to be hearing more an more about those kinds of benefits. so let me ask you, though, you have the scale of disaster of the website. there s a marriage penalty buried in there, going up to $10,000 a couple. you had a lot of paces where they re literally cuttin off specialty hospitals because of the way they re controlling costs is just cutting off care. isn t obama care going to have to be fairly dramatically modified for it to work? i think it s going to have to get better and better. i ve heard the president say he s more than willing to sit down with democrats and republicans alike. that being said, there s a lot that s promising. we have this sort of collective amnesia about how bad the situation was before this all got started. for example, in my state, one third of the people who try to get an individual policy get turned down because of a pry existing condition. we all know about the cost of uncompensated care, and because they ve had to pay for the cost of care for people who don t have insurance in the first place. but there s no doubt about that. what you manipulationed before about entry premurals looking to get into health care, i would agree with you on that. the dimples is, is the federal government the win can we address preexisting conditions, can we address things through changing the tax incentive which in the packet has been exclusively driven toward benefiting employer-based plans. but if you ve got a bad insurance policy that doesn t corn all of your needs, if it doesn t cover mental health, it has a cap on an annual basis, a lifetime cap, if it has scluz for preexisting conditions, what good does it have for montanaens to have an insurance company come to montana with that bad policy. don t we have to have a national policy that if you have health sherns, it has to be comprehensive? that s like saying if you have insurance company, you can keep it. that s not my question. if you re selling somebody a complicated health insurance policy, it s got to be comprehensive. in your state, you wouldn t allow an insurance company to sell insurance that says if you get in a car wreck, on tuesday, we don t count it, if you hit a red car, we don t count it. if you do it on saturday, we only count half, but that s what a lot of these policies are. that s why we need a streamlined system where the entrepreneur doesn t have to buy a cadillac program, which. when young entrepreneurs need something more simplistic. you put up a good defense of obama care a few minutes ago. are you comfortable enough by next fall, obama care would be a net-plus, that you would encourage people to run as obama democrats? irpts i think the website has to get fixed. when you website gets fixed and people see these plans are good, they re affordable plans, i think that will be a net positive. i also think there s some irony in the question, in that it s not clear at all that. republicans have any plans. i think you said a few months ago the gop has no plan we have lots of plans that frame but there are a number of plans. given what you re seeing happening right now, are you comfortable saying people running for congress, it s okay to wrap yourself up. be proud, defend all this mess? 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