Thats up since yesterday. Thats including this group of potentially vulnerable first term representatives, so this afternoon House Speaker nancy pelosi will meet with the entire Democratic Caucus to discuss the next steps in this investigation. Theres also breaking news in the United Kingdom, an Historic Court ruling, the Prime MinisterBoris Johnson illegally suspended parliament as the brexit deadline approaches. His political future this morning very much up in the air. Were going to have a live report from london in a little bit. First, though, the scandals here. Joining us now jane harmon a former member of congress from california who served as the ranking democrat on the House Intelligence Committee and ian bremer, editor at large at time. Ian, i want to start with you. You are normally the voice of e restrai restraint. This time you think its different. Why . I think this is a Tipping Point on impeachment, which matters for an awful lot of people. I mean, we are talking about a president who is not in any way denying that he had a call with the ukrainian president where biden and corruption in ukraine was discussed. It is now clear from the record of facts that that actually was linked by a matter of a few days to a decision to pull back and suspend American Military aid to the ukrainian government. In part, this happened because it was the day after this call to ukraine, the day after we had testimony from robert mueller, so clearly democrats are going to be feeling like in part the reaction or lack of reaction on impeachment from the Mueller Investigation is part of what is em boldening and empowering trump. A really important point here is the actual action in ukraine that people are forgetting about that biden originally took at the order of the american president at the time barack obama was to remove a special prosecutor who was not investigating bidens son, and whether or not there was corruption going on, this was a guy that was taken out precisely because he refused to investigate anyone. He was very corrupt, so if biden had been concerned about corruption and about his son being investigated, you wouldnt want to remove this guy with someone who potentially would uphold rule of law. It is a canard, it is being very intelligently promoted by trump and his supporters because they want Something Else to focus on, but this for the democrats i do think is going to force them to move towards opening impeachment proceedings. There you go again using logic. Thank you for explaining the origin of all of this and how upside down the logic has been about whatever the motivation was. So that is the Tipping Point that hes talking about is what got these seven democrats to write that oped. It just came out overnight. Ill read a portion. The president of the United States may have used his position to pressure a foreign country into investigating a political opponent, and he sought to use u. S. Taxpayer dollars as leverage to do it. He allegedly sought to use the very Security Assistance dollars appropriated by congress to create stability in the world to help root out corruption and to protect our National Security interests for his own personal gain. That is what has gotten these seven who all have had public lives of public service, sometimes in the military, theyre not career politicians, and thats what is their Tipping Point. Got it, but a little history. I was a young aide in the senate during the nixon impeachment. I was a member of congress during the clinton impeachment. There was a big difference. The nixon impeachment was bipartisan. Bill cohen, a freshman house member at the time, a future senator was a vote on the Rodino Committee which was managed in a very different way, less partisan, no cnn, sorry at the time, but at any rate that impeachment, the indictment of nixon led to a visit by senior senators telling him he would be convicted in the senate. Thats when he resigned. We dont have any facts like that. The clinton impeachment was totally partisan. I was there. It was a miserable experience. What happened, clinton was not convicted by the senate. He became stronger. The party that was responsible for it, the republicans were punished, so this is the third movie. Nancy pelosi is shrewd. She knows how to count. If a majority of her caucus including moderates wants this, shell probably have to go there. However, it will be partisan, at least at the moment. Mitch mcconnell shows no signs of doing anything in the senate, and there are no republicans who are staying in congress who are siding with the democrats. Only those leaving and three that are running against trump, three republicans are talking about this. So one suggestion, lets get the whistleblower complaint. Lets see it. You do make a great point, alisyn that these were due ly appropriated funds by congress to help fight corruption in ukraine. There was no National Security reason why President Trump should have withheld the funds, so lets start there, but lets get all the facts, and i think maybe then this will become less partisan. Right now theyre not getting those facts, which is part of the problem. The administration is stone walling, more than stone walling, stiffing congress whos been looking to get that Inspector General report. And remember, theres the whistleblower, and then theres the trump appointed Inspector General, who says this is a matter of urgent concern, and it appears to be of concern of more than just this phone call, more than just the communication between the president and the president of ukraine. There appears to be other underlying information there, which could be the withholding of funding going on at the time. It could be the instruction to Tell Congress its part of an intraagency review. We should not be pushing towards a transcript of the call, which is what joe biden wanted. That would be a mistake. You want president s to be able to conduct diplomacy without the necessity of that concern. When theres a question of corruption, why not see the transcript . Theyll redact it, theyll only put it out if its useful to their story. What you need is the whistleblower complaint. You have that. Thats actually the legal process. Thats what we should see. Biden does have a problem here by the way. I have to say 50,000 a month for hunter biden clearly to be selling influence because otherwise no one would ever pay him that kind of money for a company that frankly was pretty corrupt and has been before and has been since under investigations. Is that joe bidens fault or problem. Its hard to imagine joe biden wasnt aware of it. I expect that president obama, if he had known about the reality of this situation, would have probably told biden get rud of this. Like we shouldnt have your son working in this situation. That would have cost him something. And i fear like even if maybe biden wasnt aware, but biden should have been aware that that would cause an issue for him. So i mean, if this ends up being an al franken moment where he gets thrown under the bus so the democrats can be seen as the party that cares about values and rule of law, maybe thats what they need to do. Maybe. Back to your point, you say youve seen this movie before, but havent times changed . In other words, do you think it would play out just like the bill clinton impeachment where you think that the party bringing this in this case the democrats, would be punished or have im just warning that that was the last movie. This movie needs bipartisan buyin. I think that is possible once we see all the facts. Just to comment on ukraine, i was there during the as an observer on Madeline Albrights designation when poroshenko came to power in 2016. We interviewed other candidates he seemed to be the guy who could fight corruption. And he started that way. Removing this prosecutor was the right thing to do, trying to get the legislator, trying to change that. They were all pay to play electeds was another right thing. I think the obama policy was right. Hunter biden and his fathers relationship i dont quite know, but lets imagine all the tragedy the bidens have suffered and kid, he lost his brother. He lost his sister. His lost his mother. Im a little sympathetic to his situation, not necessarily why he signed up with the ukrainians but at any rate, my point is that i think the Obama Administration was doing the right thing for the right reasons, and there is not a tiein to whats happening now, and i just hope we see the facts and understand whether or not the aid was withheld in exchange for pressuring the ukrainians. Thats the allegation to do something inappropriate. There is no precedent. It is unacceptable for a president to use the power of the United States, the power of its purse with a country that we are supporting, that congressman dates that we are supporting, to support his own election, and that is precisely what happened here. Weve never seen it before. Precisely what is alleged here and may have happened, but lets see the complaint so that everyone can be on the same page and then if the countrys outraged on a bipartisan basis, that will make an impeachment proceeding it seems to me, be more credible. There are some agreed upon facts here provided by none other than donald j. Trump and rudy giuliani. The president of the United States told us he did in fact talk to the president of ukraine about joe biden, right . He said that. He said that. Rudy giuliani told chris cuomo that he told the ukrainians to go investigate joe biden. Those are agreed upon facts here. For today. Tomorrow it might be a different story. They may change their story. Thats why lets see the complaint. Was there a quid pro quo, how explicit was the order to investigate joe biden. There may be enough already. I think its pretty clear there is. I think janes right that you want to go through the process. She seems to be implying that we need to have bipartisan support to make pelosi want to go through with it. I didnt say that. I think pelosi will probably go if a majority of her caucus including moderates want to go, but what im saying is for the process to resonate as a real step forward for the country, it needs bipartisan support. The likelihood that youre going to get republican support on this as the process goes through seems to me to be virtually zero. Maybe not. Lets see what the facts are. You want to weigh in on Boris Johnson, how much longer is he going to be Prime Minister after the Supreme Court ruling . At least for another month or two until there are managed elections. The problem for Boris Johnson. In the u. K. If youre a leader, you cant actually break the law, unlike in the United States. Well see. The Supreme Court said, parliament is back in session. Hes right. Parliaments back in session, and that really matters because it means that johnson is under much more pressure now. The reason that he wanted them out was to give him more of an opportunity to both negotiate with the europeans in an unfettered way, and push ahead with his outcome before elections happen so he could get rid of nigerl farage. Its more likely he ends up having to go with an extension beyond october 31st and having an election without having a solution on brexit, which means everyone on johnsons right leaves him, and if that happens, the likelihood that Boris Johnson is still Prime Minister, which is all he cares about has just gone down a lot. Bad for the country. Thank you both very much. Great to talk to you ian and jane. We will speak with two of those freshmen democrats who are now supporting an impeachment process, jason crow and Mikie Sherrill will join us in our next hour about what changed for them yesterday. We do have breaking news, we just alluded to it. This historic ruling in the united king d United Kingdom. The Supreme Court ruled that Boris Johnson suspended parliament unlawfully in the run up to brexit. Melissa bell live outside the Supreme Court with the breaking details. The future of Boris Johnson and that government uncertain this morning. Reporter absolutely. That is one of the effects of this ruling so far did it go against the governments Decision Just a few weeks ago, john, to suspend parliament. The Supreme Court really couldnt have gone any further, as you can hear a lot of demonstrators have been out here over the course of the morning, in favor of the governments profession and its probrexit strategy, and against what weve heard over the course of the morning, especially after that verdict came out was look, Boris Johnson needs to johnson out, johnson out, thats what they were shouting. Boris johnson is in new york, but all eyes on how hes going to react. Is he going to feel the pressure to resign on what is certainly a very difficult day for him to react to. The other question is how quickly mps, the parliamentarians here in the u. K. Can get back to business just across the street since whats been decided is that prorogation did not happen. They can reconvene their business as usual and most significantly keep pressure on Boris Johnson to strike some kind of deal with the European Union and avoid the u. K. Crashing out with that one. Thats what they did very successfully, that you can be sure is what theyre going to do afterwards. Just one more point on that question of the pressure on Boris Johnson, the verdict essentially ruled today is that when he went to the queen to ask for prorogation, he misled her. Thats been one of the questions here over the course of the last week, has the Prime Minister misled the queen and as one british friend said to me a couple of weeks ago, who lies to the queen. Who does that . That is one of the things that brings pressure on the Prime Minister today and one of the reasons were going to be looking very closely to what it is he has to say. Thank you for that report from a very raucous Supreme Court there. Well check back with you rng. Schools and government buildings are closed today across puerto rico as Tropical Storm karen moves cloeszer to the island. Karen has already drenched parts of the caribbean. Puerto rico also rattled by a powerful earthquake overnight. Dianne gallagher is live in san juan with more. They cant get a break. Reporter and im going to tell you, alisyn, we felt that earthquake last night the lights in our hotel started swaying. We could feel the lobby really shaking at that point, and a couple aftershocks throughout the night here in puerto rico. Again, this precursor, we came for a Tropical Storm, werent expecting an earthquake, and thats kind of what we were hearing, especially from the tourists in san juan at this point. The government has said they are going to close schools today, close those government buildings as a precautionary method as Tropical Storm karen comes onto the island. They are concerned mostly about the rain at this point. Mudslides, flash flooding, and some of those islands, we could be looking at up to six inches of rain, but for here because of what happened in Hurricane Maria and there is still so much damage that remains, there is concern about this vulnerable power structure. Their grid is not necessarily prepared for these type of winds, so even those hurricane excuse me, those nonhurricane force, those Tropical Storm, tropical depression force winds may cause some issues here. There are still houses that have blue tarps over them. Any kind of weather affects them. I was talking to a friend in san juan who said we had a power outage yesterday. This has just become the way of life now. 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