Republicans, 2027488001. Democrats, 2027488000. Ndependents, 2027488002 join the conversation on twitter or you can go to facebook. The phone lines are open. We will get to your call is just a minute. First, joining us on the phone is the National Security reporter with the Washington Post. The front page this morning, her headline come apple vows to fight order. What is the government asking apple to do . Guest good morning. Thank you for having me. Went to court in force apple to for a new software particular iphone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. Override one would of the features on the iphone to let the fbi have a chance to crack the password protecting the contents of the phone that were encrypted. Apple to build custom designed a software to get around the feature on the iphone that whites all the data triede phone after youve to 10 times and failed to answer the correct passcode. Why cant the fbi do this themselves . Can apple do this, technically . Guest according to the experts come apple in fact can technically do this because it is a question of writing new software. You can basically do anything. They would be writing and replacing software currently on that iphone. , is it aion for them good idea . Do they want to do it . Apple is making the argument that to force them to do this would be to force them to drastically weaken security of and by extension, the users of their iphone because they feel if they were to make this concession to the government for this phone, they would be asked to do it for other fronts. Where would it stop . Host why cant the fbi do it themselves . Guest this is software that apple has been writing for years, it is proprietary. It might be possible, but it would be much more difficult for the fbi to do it. They might be not likely to. Ucceed tim cook sing the implications of the governments demands are chilling saying the implications of the governments demands are chilling. Is this true . ,f they unlock this one phone doesnt allow the government to input at risk all of apples consumers . Guest that is apples legal argument and one that will be tested in court. The government obtained the court order based on a law that which has to 1789 as authority to do things where there is no rich and statute to explicitly direct them to do things. And has been a catchall statute of sorts. It has been used previously a authorizetimes to Companies Come including apple, to do things such as unlock iphones. Time that weirst know of where its been public that the government is asking software, special software to override a certain feature on the iphone. In order to when the government to crack the password. Precedent this set a or would the fbi or other National Security agencies have to continue on a casebycase basis asking Tech Companies to open up phones or other devices . Guest theres the technical question and legal precedent. From the technical side, the government is saying we are just asking for help with this one phone. We are not asking you to write software that will apply to all phones. We are not even asking you to unlock the phone itself, just help us override this feature, this function so we can have a pair crack at trying to break the password. The company contends if you are asking us to Design Software for will be asking us to Design Software for other phones. Once youve got the software, it is a trivial matter to just a substitute in a new serial number for each phone. Weaken the overall security. The legal precedent would depend on what happens in the court. Right now, this is an issue in San Bernardino limited to that one court. Andill likely get appealed could go up to the appeals court. If theres another ruling in another district at odds with this one, it could possibly go to the Supreme Court. Lots of significant issues here. Thank you. With all that on the table, we turn to you this morning. Is it privacy or National Security that is at issue here . George in ohio. Democrat. Good morning to you. Act the patriot host turn down that tv. Talk to your phone. Caller i am. Its like the patriot act. Host you have to go through your phone. Stephen in d. C. Independent. Caller i definitely think apple should not hand this information over. The juice would not be worth the squeeze. Killers in san diego, it doesnt take too much plotting to murder 14 people or even rob five thanks. Five banks. If suicide is the end result. Host what about the connections or motivations that led them to do what they did . This could be on the phone. Take a look at what the wall street journal puts together. This is the graphic. The phone was last backed up onto icloud on october 19. Once the backup stopped, subsequent photos, notes, contacts, messages and video would reside only on this device. The fbi wants 44 days of information on this phone up until december 2 when the shooting took place. Theres 44 days of information they want to look at. I dont think their connections are that relevant. Anybody can do that come anybody can get away with it come anybody could do it but you cannot get away with it. Dan in new york. Democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. Apple shouldeve budge on this. Our privacy is the most important thing in the world. If you go on the internet, you can read stories of washington the wall street journal from s outlets new about what our country has been doing to spy on all of this. Remember that Data Collection center in utah . Talk to your kids. Ask them this question. They have been programmed by the Education System in this country to just hand over everything. They have no understanding of what it means to have a private life, to keep things, Sensitive Information to their self. I know this is not going to sound nice, but i would rather take my chances with the terrorism overseas than the terrorists in d. C. Host that is how much you just trust this government . Jesse in michigan. Democrat. Good morning to you. Caller good morning. I agree with that gentleman. I fear the people in washington. Obama is in the middle of it. Have him soticians scared of isis. Obama people he hasnt done anything for black people. Hes going all over the world about leaving a legacy host i dont want to go too far down that path to it i want to stick to the topic this morning, apple versus the fbi. Lets listen to the National Security argument. Was week, the fbi director testifying and this is what he had to say about encryption and how it poses a problem for investigators. [video clip] we call this problem going dark. The growing you seven correction , locked devices when they sit there and to Cover Communications as they move over fiberoptic cables is overwhelmingly affecting Law Enforcement. Affects cops and prosecutors and sheriffs and detectives trying to make murder cases, car accident cases, kidnapping cases it has an impact on our National Security work. This is a problem local Law Enforcement sees. This would include pornography . The list goes on and on. , if at is carried out Court Certifies the reason is there, the company ought to then produce that information. Especially with respect to devices, phones that default lock. That is the overwhelming concern. All of our lives are becoming digital. Those devices will hold the evidence of child pornography, to medications someone made before they were killed communications someone made before they were killed or went missing. It is a big problem for Law Enforcement armed with a search warrant when you find a device that cannot be opened even if the judge says there is probable cause to open it. Importantdino is an investigation for us but we still have one of those phones we are unable to open. We are still working on it. The fbi director talking about the phone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters. Now, the fbi went to a court and got an order but apple is refusing to comply. Apple has five Business Days after tuesdays order to respond and has vowed to challenge this order. Privacy or security, which is more important . The Senate Intelligence chairman talking about this issue. This is what senator richard burr had to say yesterday. Court orders are not optional and apple should comply. Apple has been asked by the fbi to unlock a government own cell phone to assist in the investigation of a terror attack that killed 14 americans. Edward snowden had this to say on twitter mike lee says senator Ron Wyden Barbara in connecticut. Independent. Caller good morning. Ive been working in Technology Since before there was an apple, since 1982. Ive worked in highsecurity technology environments. About apple this is not about the government accessing your data. Apple already has a way to get at it and they are holding onto the data. This is a discussion we need to address for a long time. It is already there. When you develop software, you dont actually develop something you dont have control over. The issue becomes how much data is Apple Holding onto . Aboutch do they know american privacy and how much are they willing to share with the government . Ue in thatt clintonesq there is a private server in a bathroom where here, you have data that apple is holding onto and they may not be willing to let other agencies like the government no how much data they all ready they are already collecting. When you talk about issues of , you have to look at what apple is doing already. They are protecting their own interests. Interested in the interests of american citizens. Host are there interests proprietary . Caller not in areas of National Security. What this case is bringing up is there are concerns that they will have to reveal how much data they are already collecting. Google is also in this. This has been a Long Time Coming and inneed to look at it interest of National Security, we need to be able to get the data. There is a way to do it right now, they just want to share host that is what the newspaper is reporting this morning as well. , whats the perfect case the fbi has been waiting for. You have a terrorist attack, a phone, there is no accident that this is the case being brought forth. The fbi is pushing the boundaries here. , whens a test case to see is privacy more important . When is a security more important . Apple forchina asking this information . There again come i dont know how much china already has. Like this is my feeling watching over Technology Development over 30 years corporations like apple and google are running their own private government collections systems. Is in our systems. Im not sure they would actually ask us. They would just go do it themselves. They have highly skilled Technology Workers working on this all the time with dedication and training we dont have in this country. Helen in saint david, arizona. Democrat. Caller i think security is more important. I dont understand why people put their information on the telephone and are upset at someone accessing it. I still get paper statements. Name, it i google my is kind of fun come every address i have ever lived in since 1990 is on that internet. I dont understand why people are so upset. You dont have any privacy. For me to important be able to go to the store and go to the mall and wherever i want to go without any fear of some terrorist killing me or my family. Host lets hear from kathy in massachusetts. Independent. Are you there . Let me move on to brian in covington, georgia. A republican. Good morning to you. Caller good morning. Host what are your thoughts . Privacy or security . Caller im going to stick with what ben franklin says. Fore who give up liberty security deserve neither. Part of what makes america great, as having our rights. We have to stand by that. Take a look at the New York Times story on this. Last month, some of president obamas top intelligence advisers met in silicon with tim cook and other technology leaders. So, we turn to all of you, is privacy or security more important . Want to get some other news in as well. Endorsed marco rubio yesterday, just a couple of days primarythat saturday ahead of that primary saturday for republicans. Trump loses ground in this new poll. Support for donald trump among republicans has declined in the past month, leaving him slightly behind ted cruz. Mr. Trump had enjoyed a doubledigit lead over his rivals but the new poll found support for him falling by 7 since midjanuary. Donald trump yesterday in South Carolina said the wall street has it out for him. We will talk more about campaign 2016 coming up here in less than 10 minutes. We will talk about whats going on in South Carolina and the national polls, staples and the nevada caucuses state polls and the nevada caucuses. Randy in illinois. Independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. 9 11, ion is, before would have had to agree with , with this new era after 9 11 and the terrorists in the United States already come if they did crack that phone and find out there was more america, that would be a pretty good thing to do. If apple disagrees with this and the fbi still wants to crack that phone, why dont they have north korea or china do it for them . It is the republicans who have their primary this saturday in South Carolina. Democrats will follow one week later on the 27th in South Carolina. This saturday is the Democratic Caucus in nevada. Many Campaign Events we are covering on cspan jeb bush this morning campaigning in the palmetto state and 11 45. At 11 45. John kasich in the afternoon, we will have his town hall meeting in clemson, South Carolina. , 11 30 p. M. Eastern time, Hillary Clinton will be campaigning out there, having a rally in east las vegas. Go to www. Cspan. Org for more information about our coverage. Fill in chicago. Democrat. Good morning to you. You are on the air. Bill in chicago. Privacy is dead. Can get this from your device. Host we are losing you. Bill saying privacy is dead, you cannot have any expectation of privacy. Tom and fort appeared republican. Tom in florida. Republican. Caller apple is sitting there earning profits and they dont care how it comes. The government is asking for the code so they can do it themselves. They want apple to help them on this one phone for National Security. Wait until new york blows up and let the liberals say why they did not stop it. If you try the pass code and get it wrong 10 times, it erases everything on this phone. Darrell in mobile alabama. Independent caller. Caller good morning. I just have to say that first of all, the caller from did not seem to have a grasp on what exactly was going on. As far as breaking the encryption and that. Is,point of this matter willsing that 10 guesses open up not only that device but other devices to all kinds of nefarious characters. It is better to leave that alone. We are talking about the global economy. Therehe solution is out once it has been done, the solution will make it out to the wild. Its one of those things that probably needs to be left alone. Host front page of the Washington Post this morning. The pope goes right to the border. Also, front page of usa today, president obama plans to visit cuba soon, as soon as march. That announcement could be coming today from the white house. This story in the paper this morning in the Washington Post about the late Justice Scalias visit to that luxury ranch. How that highlights his free stay, highlights judicial ethics questions. The ranch owner footed the bill for scalias accommodations but not the chartered flight on which the justice arrived on a private airstrip on the property. He was invited as a guest along with a friend, just like 35 others. The justice was treated no differently. There is that story in the paper as well. Bob in philadelphia. Independent. What is more important, privacy or security . When it comes to apple versus the fbi. Caller privacy. Normally, i would be for security. Trust the government after what theyve been doing. They told them about the boston bombers twice and they still botched it. Our government was spying on us for years and that came out through snowden. I used to trust the government, but after all this if they government employeess data has been hacked. There and get the best in there. Host donald trump said yesterday that apple should comply. Caller he is wrong with that point because he is not taking into account how they botched these boston bombers and incompetence they have. Host michigan. Republican. You were on the air. Air. U are on the caller thank you for cspan. Take. A little different with the idea that what do they do with all this information . This is to get more and more information about people. What has been the result . Clinton knew about bin laden before he bombed 9 11. Aev brothers were on the radar. , they had ano facebook. People onall these the radar and nothing has been prevented. Fewderstand they have a wins, but when you see things who has been monitored and you are worried about apple having a private database hillary had a private database. What are they doing with this information . It seems to be the selectivity this is where black lights how come the mix they are selected . In this freedom issue, people in charge are pulling their selectivity in this political atmosphere. Host tim in michigan. Dem