Financial system in place we will share that with everybody. We do not have that right now. One, know that at least and the second payment to insurers for subsidies. These payments reflect what insurers are telling you about how many people are paying their premiums. They are and i remember based on those customers who would be qualified for either the look of the marketplace. We do not have individual information about the group that is premium tax credits. As an indication that they do not have the full information, so were getting argued that about a portion of the marketplace, and not individual data about the portion of the customers. A firsts they take months premium, they cannot get a tax credit. We are very interested to make sure that that is correct. Working in person at a time, which do not have that at this time. Have you asked for the information . We are working on the Automated System which at the end of the day the 834, which is the process by which we sent to the Insurance Company from the website. Chairman cap who wants to enroll they will group send back a confirmation that the pages premium and thatll be the end of the loop to that part of the process is not in place. Is their coronation between is there coordination between indie agencies on this . Are irs and treasury basically pays the bills, and they pay them based on a system of presenting them with information about just the way medicare bills are paid. Mr. Levin, and then we will conclude. I wanted to be asked that it would be entered into the record three documents relating to the Medicare Advantage rates. One from the secretary to the speaker, one from an article of the New York Times, and one from a been a very letter from the beneficiaries. Without objection. That the cbosked table on 4015 doubled coming up in the next couple of days with your amendment showing about 13 would be in the record. Thank you for your time this morning, and we appreciate that. This hearing is now adjourned. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] look at some of the crimea locals at a polling station, this is from the guardian. The head of the Referendum Committee in crimea says that more than 90 that are sent more than 95 of voters have approved splitting off and joining russia. It has been announced as invalid by obama and his allies. He will meet with the president of all three baltic nations as well, lithuania, estonia cover and let get to talk about and other issues. Secretary state john kerry will host a town hall policy on how to make fords policy lest foreign. Well bring that to you on the cspan networks. The suggestion is, would we say freedom of choice, let people go their own way, what i think we often mean is they know best. Bestnment does not know evidence and so the notion of autonomy, a pretty elaborate k of it is basically a way a oneword way of saying that people know better than outsiders do about what will make their lives go well. This sounds academic and abstract, but i think it mistakes a real and concrete which is the question really would we think about our policies, are people going to be sick, are they going to be miserable, are they going to be dead . If we have some policy, whether involves savings for retirement, or if it involves privacy, or if it involves airquality confident we can think of some way that makes them less likely to be sick or miserable or dad, while also looking them ultimately going their own way if that is what they want, that is probably a good bargain. Former Obama Administration official on todays q a. The headline from the new is diverted inquiry former Inspector General of the department of transportation and our partner of the law firm motley rice. Qa for being with us. So much to talk about. Based on everything you have been following over the last eight days what are your various scenarios . What do you think happened to flight 370 . I was convinced we are looking at mechanical because of the flight path, because of not want shred of evidence to ofinitely say that there was but yesterday made a new huguenots without a relief hard to reconcile with mechanical. Several legitimate desk mitigation systems stopped communicating. Often that can mean that you have a catastrophic failure on board. On you could even have a possibility where the fuselage sustained cracked image yesterday was interesting day. The malaysian authorities announced that they believed that thethout a doubt system on the airplane that sends messages about the plane back to the airline that that was shut off. Not stopped transmitting but was actually shut off. That happened before the last Pilot Communications to aircraft control. When pilots communicate with air Traffic Control by the way, the transponder, in other system that tells both air traffic ol by the way, the transponder, in other system that tells both air Traffic Control and radar where you are, it sends out a radio signal with the number saying this is us. That was still on. If the pilot was so able to communicate with air Traffic Control, he was still fly the plane. And he could have said the code word. Airlines are usually trained to a code. They say it if you are in dire strain and cant squawk the hijack code or do anything else to let them know you are in trouble. Know all right, good night, the last words of the pilot could have been a hijack code. It was very ominous to me. Saying they think other people were on board. Isre are theory, and this one that is difficult to copperhead to comprehend, the belly ofred the plane and turn off a piece of equipment that let people know where the plane is. You dont get to that electronics they from the cockpit. You get through it from the passenger cabin. To be able to do that, somebody would have to go to the carpeting, access that area, in a is post9 11 which 01 world the passengers would have fought back. We investigated and litigated passenger cases. They have plans to fight back on every single plane. You need a crew on that plane to take it over, going to the electronics pay. Keep the passengers under control to fly the plane and to manage the navigation. Is it was of thought going over the himalayas. With thatfficult time scenario because there are 100 peaks in the himalayas over 23,000 feet. Thatg to radar pings is it. All we have are pains from various locations. They believe the airplane altitude varied. It was between 43,000 feet at feet and at times dipping down to 23,000 feet. Pilot is as as a huge amount of time. We have major captains on Major Airlines that dont have anywhere near that kind of flight time. Other possibility they are looking at is the plane went south. Its assigned point where it made its last communication. Points, kind of like louise in the sky. You have these different points of view are navigating. Theny to these points and make a turn and keep going on. That is probably at a to because we know the hijackers in september 11, 2001 had a gps. They had actually gone to new york with their gps and more at various sites in new york city checking it out with their gps is. He ever went north over the himalayas or south into the most desolate vast expanses of the indian ocean. There is the indian ocean and , whichere is antarctica does have an airstrip but you cannot land there in march. You have to land in december and january. The u. S. Now that persons believe it went into the deepest water and its vast expanse of water there is. Are many holes and problems and disconnect in this theory, not the least of which is this, they are relying on satellite data that has not yet been smoothed out. There they are undoubtedly feverishly working. Theyre going to take the white noise out of the data. Maybe theyll have better idea of where this claim went. Right now the malaysian authorities are moaning their chief theory, it was intentional behavior. They are looking at hijacking or deliberate sabotage. 18,000 flying hours, which meant that the pilot spent his entire career working as a pilot or Malaysian Airlines. The investigation is focusing on him. Reporting there were also pilots Flight Simulator. What can we learn from that . Caller a lot. As a bus that had a microsoft Flight Simulator in our houses and cut the various versions of it you know, it is very telling because you can put in any airport in the world and practice landing there. You can program in various waypoints so if the pilot is the one they are also saying the they weree not on their way to beijing, where they were supposed to go. Who knows if this is reliable news. Thathave released the news those have been program before the flight. His simulator had these routes these various waypoints practices going to and going over, landing in runways in cant extend where they are talking about abandoned airfield. There is apparently one even in the south indian ocean. Then they think that there was someone practicing this and why hours omeone with 18,000 need a Flight Simulator . Well, a lot of us have flight sim later at home. It wouldnt mean anything for us but it would if you were training someone else. And also looked through possessions at his home and looked to see where they would suspect pilot sabotage or suicide they would look at recent Life Insurance policies, debt, suicide notes, anything that would indicate that you would have an alternative plan other than going to work. O they did sees the flight computer and bags that people observing couldnt see but thats what they were looking for at the pilots house. Host were talking with mary schiavo. She served as the inspect o of transportation and currently a partner at the law firm motley rice. Another theory is that the pilot was able to lower the plane that would allow him to kill off the passengers while he was able to keep the plane airborne. Do you buy that theory . Guest no. This is why i dont buy that theory. The planes are pressurized and the last event where they knew everything was fine when he said hurt, good night. The plane was at 35,000 feet which means its pressurized. If you had a rapid depressurizing event, the pilots have in the cockpit emergency oxygen equipment but at 35,000 feet they have 30 seconds or less to get that on before they start getting disoriented. After that its hard to think and eventually you die in pretty short order. But what happens is they pout on the oxygen masks and it would drop for the passengers. If the pilot went down to 35,000 feet, this is still you would live, but not long, and depressurized the plane so you dont have oxygen and then went back up to 45,000 feet if they had their oxygen masks on, that would kill the passengers. Well, you know, thats taking a pretty big risk, because according to these very unreliable pings by the way, they were not at 45,000 feet very long and the problem in climbing to 45,000 feet. When you climb up to those flight levels above what the plane is intended to fly at a couple things happen. You have to climb to those flight levels slowly, if you climb quickly you have engine flameout, because the engines have to take in the air and they have to climb to that level slowly. You dont just pop up and climb like youre on top gun. And in doing that they could have had a dual engine flameout and its very difficult to relight those engines. You have to basically dive and get them spooling again. You can try an inflight relight. So that if youre doing it slowly, some passengers could acclimate. You cannot fly at 45,000 feet the biggest is whether these data pings from the satellite are right. The directional pings on the satellite, they feel pretty good about. The altitude pings, not so much. So i wouldnt put a lot of stock in that right now. But if you were going to get down in the cargo or the Electronics Bay in the belly of the plane and mess around with the plane, you would have to think of a way to control the passengers, because thats why people have the theory that they killed the passengers. Host another theory is that the plane may have landed somewhere. This is a picture or graph from the New York Times, possibly could have gone as far as kazakstan. On that theory, what are your thoughts . Guest well, i have one question that so far ive asked everyone to try to find this answer out and that is did the pilots call for more fuel before they took off. Because if youre a pilot with 18,000 hours and youre going to deliver this plane to somebody in kazakstan, that means youre basically a World War Ii History buff, you have got to fly the hump. Youve got to take this plane up and over the himalayas. Unless you go a long convoluted route. But if you have to fly you have to make sure you have enough fuel because there are head winds and tremendous things that could make you run out of fuel. This plane has a range of 7 50,000 miles if youre using the wing tanks. The pilots, you can say, well, im checking the weather, weve got some head winds and you can call for more fuel. And my question has been did they call for more fuel . Because if they didnt, a pilot with 18,000 hours probably would not take this plane past its range over the himalayas. You wouldnt be assured you would ever make it if you were really delivering this plane anywhere in the stans. So then that leaves the very awful thought that they didnt take on more fuel and we dont know who did this if anyone. We still dont have a black fwocks confirm the Communications Equipment was positively turned off, and that it us just stopped working. T the intention is that they didnt take on more fuel and didnt intend to go to kazakstan or anywhere like that and they were just taking it to the indian ocean to ditch it. Obviously thats a horrible sad thing and i hate to even say that for the families that are holding out hope but the second theory is not promising for any survivors. Host measure mary schiavo who served is joining us from South Carolina a partner at the law firm motley rice and a veteran of the department of transportation as we look into what happened to flight 370 that Malaysian Airline flight now being called a criminal investigation. Herb is joining us from springville new york. Good morning. Caller yes. Good morning. Accidentally let me first say that on the news last night ma laceya stated that no additional fuel was taken on. , t let me go back to my point ms. Mary schiavo and talk about the transponders. As we know on 911 ten the highjackers on all three planes, one of the first things they did was turn off the trance ponder. And im told by the experts on a legitimate flight a pilot has no need whatsoever to turn off transponders so why havent the Aviation Industry and the security people got together after 9 11 and said, lets take the on off switch out of all commercial planes, but we will leave in the sos switch on the transponder, but the on off switch will be totally taken out. Why wasnt that done . Guest boy, you have hit the nail on the head. Not only will they not do that, but this gentleman obviously knows flying but the American Public is shocked to learn that you are not required to have a transponder at all to fly around the United States of america and a great november aviation planes dont have one. You dont have to turn one on or unless youre going into a controlled air space and landing at certain airports. The big Passenger Service airports, you can fly around and basically are a u. F. O. Because you dont have a transponder and dont have to squak your code, now the transponder puts out a number and on september 11 there was great difficulty once they turned them off to determine where they were because they were saying flight 93 was lost for a time. I was working at the newsroom in nbc at the time and we were scrambling, where do you extend crews . To cleveland . Akron . But the other issue that came up after september 11 is not only why do we allow transponders to be turned off or literally why do they have them where they cannot turn them off but they talked about additional cost but if you can afford a plane you can afford a transponder. Be why dont we do this deep ocean search for black boxes when we have the ability to do streaming like on air france 447, we knew what happened on air france 447 within a couple days because that plane streamed its data on this system status update putting out messages saying heres whats happening with the plane. The plane did it all on itself. This system is spooling down and this system is spooling down. So on that plane we knew something was seriously wrong, you can stream this information we dont need this fran tic search for sonar if we allow data to be and the cockpit voice recording will only last for two hours and so if it was a sevenhour flight nothing would come up. It would be silence and onboard video periodically streaming video as to whats going on in the cockpit or cabin, that was objected to as an invasion of deprive criticism. Im a lawyer and let me tell you theres no right to privacy an commercial jet carrying 239 lives. So i dont think the arguments against this Technology Make any sense whatsoever, but the simple reason is we dont have them because the federal Aviation Administration and other aviation authorities around the world, because we can only control our pilots and airlines, nobodys ever ordered it. If they ordered it, it would be done. Host marie has this question if they can use detectors over the ocean to find the plane . Guest no. Not at this point. 59 this point they have to go strictly off of satellite coordinates and listen for the signals emitted by the black boxes. They call them pings, they have a pinger, but they emit a radio signal that can be picked up by at this point they have to use submersibles. Because its very deep there but once the pinger is gone. And this happened with air france the battery lasts about 30 days. Help the they have to look for it with a submersible on value jet 592 divers found them and on twa 800, same thing, submersibles and divers. So just because they dont find it within 30 days, and im not saying they wont but they can still find it with submersibles and divers. But this is the best hope unless they can find information on the Flight Simulator that they have seized or from information at malaysia air or witnesses or a suicide note or any of these number of things, thats the sure guesswork. Host pat is on the phone for mary schiavo. Good morning. Caller good morning. Ok. I had two questions. I think one of them you answered, and it was fuel. The plane has x amount of fuel. Its only going to take them so far, and i think you said 7,000 or a little over 7,000 miles. And thats about five hours of flying. But my second question was, have they heard anything about the investigation into all the passengers that were on the plane . I do know it was mentioned there were three americans on there. But are they looking into all the passengers . I mean guest they are now. Now, after, because they spent 11 years on the 9 11 cases. On 9 11 everyone was suspect immediately after the crashes. They were looking at innocent victims and passengers as possible suspects. The federal bureau of investigation was tracking down just based on a name sometimes but quickly trying to look at who was on that plane because of the phone calls from very brave passengers from those planes, that he had lot of clues really early on. Remember the phone calls got out flight 93, my goodness, they gave so much information. Those passengers were just great detectives. Dos to them but we got phone calls out from every plane that dave them clues they were looking for men and men of a certain age and men that looked a certain way. But we have none of that here. So at this point now a week into the investigation malaysian authorities have announced they are looking at literally everyone, and they have to be, because if it was a takeover situation, they needed a highjack crew. Its not a oneperson operation. Host this is from the New York Times going back to your point about the investigation relying on perfect tools, making the point that the lack of four ordinary ways of finding a plane. Primary radar, secondary radar, automated transmissions to a plane and four is an oral report by radio from the cockpit. Guest thats right. Those are the four ways, and were down at this point to one of them. Were down to the satellite coordinates that they are trying to smooth out and get better as they work on the data and of course they are calling in other satellite data too theres literally a traffic jam of sat lights up there. So what they are trying to do and the reports are that both u. S. And chinese and malaysian authorities are trying to get as much data and smooth it out and get better coordinates and the terribly sad way which is look for the black boxes after the crash. Host what about the malaysian government and their response to this in your assessment . Guest well, theres lots of things to me that was a disconnect but im going to assume they havent worked an accident like this before and there is some jurisdiction warfare. Each nation has its own laws they follow and nothing tells each nation what to do but if an accident happens in international waters, its where the plane goes down and if not, its whose nations plane that is but the rules say its malaysias dont work. They may be thinking back to egyptair that went down after taking off from the United States. Egypt turned over the investigation to the United States ntsb which was smart because in my opinion its the smartest in the world. But after that ntsb concluded it was a pilot suicide and egypt didnt like that so they took back the investigation and so there was a turf warfare so if they were remembering that, a country might want to keep control of that investigation. So if they didnt have the expertise and nobody does at the ntsb. The ntsb has so many cases and we were the lead inertia aviation for so long that they just have tremendous experience worked literally thousands of cases so im going to write it off to inexperience rather than coverup. However, if the theres a they were saying and they started saying the sabotage or highjack theory, they didnt look at their own pilots until yesterday as a possible cause but in they really believed it was a highjack theory and had the type of crew they talked about, somebody that could get down in the cargo bay and perform operations, they needed to look inside malaysia air and if the errant way points were prepramsd, programed they needed to look inside malaysia airplane and if they were not investigating them by persons in the 5eur8 then i dont believe they take their own theres a buzz after 9 11 everybody was looked at. And we looked to see if there was complicity within the airline if they had operatives in the airline or the airports in can a hutes, certainly if head to get they had evianics tools on the plane then they so to have security malaysia is finally looking at everything within malaysia, flight engineers and eight days, a lot of evidence can disappear in eight days. Host if youre just tuning in or listening on cspan radio, our conversation with mary of avo, former director department of transmission talking about what happened with the Malaysian Airline flight 370. Jimmy from greensboro, good morning. Caller good morning all. Yes, my question is around the satellite imaging. And im confused a little bit about satellites. One claim is that we are capable of reading license plates from satellites, and so my question is how do we locate this plane . Are we going to use a satellite to find this plane . Guest well, we very good question. Nd i used to work before the department of transportation i worked in other Government Departments and yes, some of the Satellite Photos are amazing. You can read so much, but thats aboveground. And if the explain aboveground, i mean above water and sitting somewhere, yes, i pane the satellite technology. As long as our satellites are focused on it. We know where to look. And i think if the explain anywhere in the mideast and the stans as they say and places where we have key interests i mean youre right. You could read the serial numbers on the wheels of the plane. T the fear, the you know sad realization is that the plane is probably under water, and to give you a comparison of what they have to look for, a couple other planes that went into the water, for example silk air was a flight in thyland that went into the water. They said that hole into which that plane went as it dove into the water, was Something Like 260 feet by 260 feet. I mean, its a tiny area that that plane actually disintegrated into as it dove into the ocean at such a high rate of speed, so the satellites can find thing, but this is a very small thing they have to find if it went into the water and deep in the water you wouldnt be able to see it. Host which leads to mary schiavo your professional opinion do we find this plane anytime in the near future . Guest well, im going to put my hopes on the United States navy, and i think this is my personal opinion, i sadly think they are looking in the right spot. I dont think now that we know there was no additional fuel taken on, i dont think they would have then a plane north over the himalayas. Not without additional fuel. I dont think they would have had assurance that they would have made it if they had a mission to deliver this plane somewhere, so i think they probably need to look for the plane in the indian ocean and bet on the United States navy and sonars to find it. I dont know in a it will be in a few days but remember it took two years to find air Frances Black box. But its important and important not only for the families. I mean, what they must be going through is really unthinkable. Iman, you cant even hold those thoughts in your mind. But its important for aviation safety. Because remember accidents like u. S. Air and uniteds cases were uninvolved solved for four years. Years into the case they were still blaming pilot suicide or one they theorized is the pilot may have had a seizure. Well, the pilot had no history f seizures but theorized the pilot stamped on the by accident. So what we really need to find out. And its a Public Service and what we do. We try to make things as safe as possible. We need to find those black boxes because if on the chance something was wrong with the plane, we have to know and the black boxes will tell us. The triple 7 has one of the most advanced black boxes ever. There are thousands of parameters, so many pieces of data on that black box, its an absolute treasure trove of investigation for aviation safety, and we need it. Host to this point why steal a plane and crash it in the ocean . Of course thats a question we dont know yet the answer the Washington Post has a depiction of what the black box looks like as we listen to mason, mason west west virginia. Caller ive tried to call two times on the other subjects but on this subject 2007 government looking for this, im sorry for the families but we have a lot of problems going on over here, why dont we just pay more attention to stuff over here and let other governments take care of their plane and help out ourer government and the families and poor people over here and start doing stuff for us instead of doing stuff for other people and try to get our stuff on track instead of helping everybody else . Host scott, there were three americans onboard that plane. Caller i apologize to the families, but ive been working for 25 years and i got laid off and my uncomboment stopped on the 28 and now me and my 8yearold is living in a tent because the government doesnt want to help over here. Guest off comment on that. My heart goes out to him. When i was in the government every day we had to make decisions and i was a federal prosecutor and we had to make decisions do we prosecute this crime or that crime and do we do this case or that case and in the government we have to realize where to put our resources. Thats a question for congress and every day they have boone dogals and build one thing at the expense of another and just talking about department of transportation money because i was there for so long. They build bridges to nowhere instead of taking care of infrastructure that is falling or build a bike path next to a highway that nobody uses. These are questions kong has to answer but in this case it was a bowing aircraft. And we all fly on bowing. As an american, a lot of us are on bowings a lot of the times so its not just that there were americans onboard but it was an american airplane so it is important that we find out on se so many of us fly bowings. But an ntsb took four years and they put the plane back together and learned so much and still in a hanger inform virginia if you do to a Training Course you will see it and learn from it. And i want to say one more thing about stealing a plane, and this is so interesting to me after i what i did working on 9 11, onbase percentage on Osama Bin Laden bought a plane we covered so much stuff in that 11 years. He bought a plane and had it transported to him in the middle east and were going to use it. They had code words and talking about delivering potatoes which were bombs, or explosives and accidentally crashed it, and the pilot that accidentally crashed the plane was so afraid he fled. But anybody can buy a plane so if a terrorist really wants a plane to pack it with explosives, go buy one so thats an interesting thing as to why you want to do this to steal a plane when Osama Bin Laden bought one. Host next from massachusetts good morning. Caller hi, im just calling to say about that plane, i think hey slept on the plane because they were saying on the news they snuck on a false i. D. Or whatever. Host youre talking about the two passengers with false i. D. s . Caller yes. Guest you know, the false passport thing is so interesting, because there was another crash in 2010 and it was an air india plane and on that plane there were 1013 they still dont know the exact number but 1013 persons on that plane with fake or stolen passports, and in that case they broke an indian ring for and ding false passports interpoll released a thing saying there were like a billion passengers with fake documents over the years. I think its a rampant problem, but i think realistically what were going to find is malaysia air didnt have a lot of security at the airport so two people with Fake Passports . There might be even more on the plane or people who didnt even bother with a fake passport and cruised past security like what happened 19 for 19 they cruised past security with box cutters, knives and pepper spray, so you might not even need fake documents. Host let me go back to the time line on the Washington Post, the plane that took off at 12 41 a. M. On march 8 and at 11 a. M. A satellite still detecting the plane was believed to be airborne and i want to focus on this turnover indian ocean the u. S. Navy leading the investigation along with other may have thal vessels, what tools are they using to look for a downed airliner . Well, they have a lot of tools. Guest they have surveillance and helicopters but at this point what they just absolutely have to look for and try to hear are those black box pingers, because thats where youre going to get a lot of information. Now, at this point eight to nine days later whats still going to be floating . Life vests . Some parts of the plane, a wing, a tail, food carts sometimes float. Shoes float, pieces of luggage floated, the life raft that will inflate when they touch water. So there are some things that will still be floating. Strangely enough a flight manuels and flight cases. Just debris from the plane, but based on other accidents, those are the kinds of things that were still floating some time after the accident, so what they are looking for is the debris field but most importantly listening for those black boxes. Host and so far nothing, correct . Guest nothing. Host from florida, good morning. Caller mary, arent the f. A. A. And Airline Industry actually coconspirators in crimes . I remember back in 1998 watching the senate floor the there was legislation to seal he cockpit doors on airliners, there were many against it so arent we real good at hindsight 20 20 . Guest well, we had a saying in the government that we called the f. A. A. A Tombstone Agency because they would propose new things after people died but in the United States we kind of do that. We legislate by anecdote and latch on to an issue and solve the problem even though all sorts of minds in the Aviation Industry in washington say why dont we fix it before it starts but before 9 11 they the warning bells were going off. It was imaginable they knew there was a problem coming. The airlines were warned, the f. A. A. Warned the airlines so many times in the summer of 2001 that they had to buckle down and do security better, and they just didnt. But like i said, thats kind of how we do it. We do it accidentbyaccident, and that transponder issue, the lack of ability to get the black boxes, i can think of a dozen instances where we had this fran tic deep ocean search for black boxes where we have gone on this frantic ezz can a paid when all we have to do is download the data as the flight goes along, put a streaming video in the cockpit. By the way that would help for other things. Pilots who fall asleep, pilots with a heart attack. It doesnt have to be just sabotage, but no. The industry is against it, and for so many things privacy rights were raised. Anybody who goes on camera homohow many times . So im frustrated with our lack of forsite on things, but its a very intrackedible bureaucracy. Host from the democrats line, good morning. Caller good morning, ms. Mary schiavo, i would like to hear your thoughts on the fact that none of the passengers texted any distress messages or sent any phone duels loved ones. Thank you. Guest yes. And since its not a violation anymore, many times ive left my equipment on by accident, and occasionally something will come through. Even once the phone rang. And it is hard for me to fathom that didnt happen. Now, they wouldnt be using wifi or onboard cell, because his plane was not equipped with that so this would have to be an errant catching a signal but if the passengers didnt know what was going on that when they crossed back over malaysia, if they had to turn around and go back over land there would have been a chance that something would have come through but then once they are out over the totion chance that you would catch a tower is remote but the reason they werent sitting in their seats wifiing and texting, etc. Is because this plane was not equipped for that. Host a member of the House Intelligence Committee and among the issues we talked about was this investigation into Malaysia Flight 370 and what it means potentially for the u. S. And the airliners. Heres what he had to say. The one that leaps out at me most is the gaping hole that we have in terms of people flying with stolen identification. As we all know there were two people on that plane at least two people flying with stolen documents. Now, they may have had absolute lie nothing to do with the disappearance of this plane and probably did have nothing to do with it, but it has revealed many people board planes without their identity being vetted and thats a problem, because even if these two were not involved in the disappearance of the plane, others may take advantage of the fact that most countries dont check with interpoll to find out whether the documents people are providing are in fact their own documents, so thats something we really need to focus on correcting. Host you can watch the entire interview at 10 00 p. M. Eastern time on cspan and espn radio our conversation with adam schiff, mary schiavo, your reaction to his comments . Guest i agree with him completely and not going to get into anything out of my subject area, but not just the world but us too, were pretty lax about identification. E get all up in arms about the passports are fake and this is fake but we have that here too. And we allow you if you want to do certain things, you have to show all sorts of identification and not for other things, and we allow people with without proper documentation to do things. We have real political schizophrenia about proving you are who you say you are. And i dont want the go off on a political tangnt but i am outraged that lives can be risked because political decisions are made not to check documentation and ensure documentation. And that is one of my biggest its an anger point for me, because peoples lives are at risk every day for that and someone makes a political decision that were not going to stop fraudulent use of things, its not just around the world. We cant just point fingers at malaysia. We have it too and you can do it very easily biometically by the way. Host should americans be worried the next time they board an International Flight . Guest they should be. Whether they will be or not, thats whats going to happen. But what is going to happen. Certainly americans and me and anybody who has thought about, this they are going to try to get on a u. S. Carrier. Because we at least check our passports and screen our pilots for psychological problems. We at least try. But the question i have for the u. S. Authorities is ok, were checking ours. Were scrubbing our pilots. We have a pretty good feel about who is in our cock pits. What do we do about the planes coming in . The next time a flight comes from malaysia, are we going to turn them around because we cannot trust their Identification Systems . If i tran f. A. A. I would say until you fix your identifying system youre not going to land here but we know thats not is a to happen because it treaty problem but i dont think were tough with foreign airlines. But if i were american i would make my flight right here. Thats probably going to be the effect for a while. Host final question because we have to let you go but in terms of terrorism. If it was, so far nobodys claimed responsibility. Another theory is that this could have been potentially a test run for something bigger. Your thoughts . Guest well not claiming responsibility is not that unusual. There have been many, remember he downing of pan am 103 the libyans denied involvement for 20 years. So not claiming responsibility right now doesnt particularly seem odd to me. If it was a test run, they have pretty much blown it, because now everyone knows, so that theory is looking less and less likely. I guess the only thing that would be throughout if there was a huger terror plot is that if this plane turns up something, and so far, i dont think so. Like i said, the theory that this plane was taken somewhere or was being taken over the him lei yaste and landed himalayas and or landed somewhere in the middle east or some place further but we now range e plane only had a barely over 7,000 miles. I think its in the ocean and if its in the ocean i dont think it was a test run. Mary schiavo can be followed on twitter mary schiavo and currently a partner at the firm to motley rice joining us on this sunday from charleston, South Carolina, if you so much for adding your people did not know was the great russian. I thought it was a typical cyclical event. When that pattern did not hold and when the depression deepened both hoover then found himself facing increasing pressure from the left for greater greater expenditures a greater intervention in the economy. And he started to hold the line against that became a fiscal conservative, allens budget, save the gold standard. Perceived rigidity on his part as part of the reason that he got attacked as not doing anything. He was quite an activist for his time. He had some policy that were not all that effective, but he was valiantly rebelling against a total status turn, such as he saw coming in new deal. George nash on the missing link in herbert hoovers memoirs. Tonight at nine on afterwards. Calls andeeks, comments on the mideast and the wars in an rock and afghanistan. Live from noon to three eastern. This month on book tv spoke e, from the Public Affairs of and from washington directly to you. But he knew in the room at congressional hearings, white house fence, briefings and conferences. And offering complete gavel to gavel coverage of the u. S. House of all is a Public Service of right industry. 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