So really i want to thank everybody for being here today. All right. Lets get started. Todays session and conversation is about equ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷ race study. I want to get started, first lets give our guest a round of applause. [applause] i want to start off first with some of the introduction in jeffs book. The introduction on the crisis cycle and i want to hit a couple of points and open it up to jeff and dr. Cunningham. Mark, is it okay that i call you mark . Please, please. Race makes itself known in crisis, in the singular event that captures a larger pattern of abuse and pain, we react to crisis with the flurry of words an sometimes action. In turn the reaction sparked its own backlash about rage, justification and denial, the cycle turns next towards exhaustition, complacency and before we know it we find ourselves back in crisis. They are not abstract thing and impact real people and real life in terms of poverty, annual income and schooling, inscars ration, persistent tbaps, gaps and Pacific Islander and in the United States segregation and desegregation happens through sign of inequality whether through white life, optics of diversity foreclosed the possibility of empathy and transformation. How do we define equal and equity . Maybe you can share your own personal experience. First of all, how is everybody doing today . [laughter] really, really nice to be here. They finally got your memo up there and its all good now. I think its a sign, the rain stopped. The question of equal versus equity is kind of strange for me. I think what has happened is the the let me try to put it in a historical perspective. What i was trying to talk about the crisis cycle was to say that each generation since the 60s has faced its own moment of racial crisis and so we are all of a certain anal here, we are all kind from, i guess, you might call it the hiphop generation and so, you know, what you could see 1965 being a moment racial crisis and at that moment the United States react by forming a consensus that race is an issue that needs to be dealt with. Racial inequities is an issue that needs to be dealt with and we build an infrastructure that leads us to inequality. At the time the language was inequality. But what we see is over the last 50 years that infrastructure has been dismantled. Sometimes very loudly and sometimes quietly in sort of subtle kinds of ways and what we can talk a lot about in the ways that has manifested itself but what we see in our generation, 1992, become it is moment for us of racial crisis and then now 2014 till now, 2012, 2014, till now sort of the kind of crisis, returning to the cycle and so i was reflecting on the fact that we seem to be having the cycles where we go through moments and backlash that comes back in. We feel like we cant do anything and we find ourselves in another crisis. One of the things that previous moments did was they took the word of equality and delight miezed it and the question became, are we talking about quality of opportunity or result. So what i think we are in now is a moment in which people are pushing again towards looking at questions of equity across the board and in this book what i have tried to do is talk about how inequality has yes, affected all of us as americans and all of us across the board and impacted by inequality but the biggest gaps are still along the lines of race. Still between blacks and whites, between whites and folks of color. When we talk about wealth, income, when we talk about health, we talk about mass incarceration, we talk about policing, when we get down to premature death and life expectancy, these are still the biggest gap that is we are seeing. What people are trying to do and im kind of building upon in this book is talking about how inequities can be connected all across the lines, we can talk about inequities in terms of the indices, right, that i was outlining but we can talk about the actual facts of resegregation in housing and schooling but also in the popular culture. We can see things like oscar is so white, that particular campaign that popped up last year. And so for me its a really prime moment for us to try to move ourselves out of this particular crisis cycle. We are in a very divided moment, in a very dangerous moment in some ways, it feels that we are in a moment that that we cant really act in some ways, that politics is not necessarily the way that we can move forward through towards a better future, shared future for all of us, but i think that in this particular moment more than any time, more than than any other kind of time its important for us to be able to bring back the imagination of what equity and justice can look like and thats what im trying to write towards in this particular book. Thank you, jeff. Mark. You know, im under the impression that equity and inequality are interchangeable and think they are the same thing and a meme online that shows a group of kids at a fence and they are trying to look at the same thing but the fence is the same level, inequality, of course, is that everybody is treated the same and we can put everything everybody at the fence and give everybody the height and some people are able to see and some arent able to see. Equities is we are going to give everybody a box that allows everybody to see over the fence and see the same thick and as a film scholar, i like to talk about things and reference the film and to go back to what you were saying about oscar is so white and what you talk about in your book in terms of culture, viola davis who has done Television Show how to get away with murder and just seen in fences and suicide squad. She won the emmy after the first black actress to be nominated and to win as lead actress in a drama Series Category and she made the comment that the only thing that separates anybody of color or actresses of color is opportunity. Opportunity is equity. That if everybody is allowed the opportunity to succeed, you know, then that makes a world of difference, but i think, even when you have these conversations about particularly with the oscars and what people have been talking about that and when you read the Message Boards, the Message Boards a lot of times more interesting in terms of giving you insight about what people think, people think because they see black faces on television then theres no problem. But they dont worry about the fact that there are no blacks faces in leading roles, that there are no black stories being told outside of certain kinds of so people think as long as they see a latino face, as long as they see an asian face that, you know, everything is equal. Everything is fine, everybody is getting a chance but everybody is not getting a shot because when you put the things together they dont add up and theyre not equitable at all. Thank you. And i wanted to also i was sharing with jeff and with mark some of the challenges we are facing here with the Austin Independent School district, the fifth largest urban School District in the state of texas so that will give you a snapshot, 84,000 students, 75 are students are students of color, latinos represent 60 , African Americans represent 8 . We have a hundred languages in our schools and we serve refugees from 42 countries and i dont know if you all have read the paper here locally but there was a conversation about the fact that here in austin in texas 2016 we still have segregation within our schools and unfortunately a lot of it is because of the concrete barrier that separates east and west and to put that in perspective, so we have two covenant magnet schools in austin and the majority of the students that attend those covenant magnet schools are anglo and if you look at a map, there was a map in the Austin American statesman that presented this real positive powerful visual that perspective. More than half of our schools are majority hispanic and African American and anglo students represent, they are the majority in 30 schools that all happen to be west of i35. You know, our board had a conversation, how do you define equity and equal . Well, i think its difficult that we are sitting around and ask everybody, stand up and give me your definition of equity and equal, we would probably have a long conversation this afternoon. But i think the best way that i can put nit perspective for me is based on how i grew up experiencing that. Im a native born and raised. I was a product of desegregation, i went to ten Different Schools before i graduated high school. Every year after second grade i went to a Different School and so the way i define equity and equal is based on what my personal experience has been and so you may stand up and have a very different experience of what your Public Education experience. I cannot invalidate that, just like you cant invalidate mine. So lets move on. Can i just add to that . The National Statistics show us that schools reached a peak of desegregation in 1989, by the way a great year for hiphop and i actually dont think they are unconnected and hiphop became so popular in part because this is what a desegregated generation was looking for in terms of pop culture and i can probably talk about that forever. Yeah, lets do it. Not right now. [laughter] but what we have seen is since 1989, School Districts have rolled desegregation orders, they have rolled back consent decrees and in many cases attacked and, of course, some of the kids have gone all the way to the Supreme Court and so what we have seen is that theres been a rise across the country in resegregation in many areas m School Districts and so what that leaves us with now is the fact that Something Like 80 , i think, of latino kids go to schools that are majorityminority schools. Something like 75 of black kids go to schools that are majorityminority schools. But white students are the most racially isolated actually, the average white student goes to a school 11 white and lives in a neighborhood thats 77 white and these are not the kinds of things that weve actually been talking about. This has been sort of coming up in different kinds of discussions, for instance, in the cities over the last two decades across the country specially where im coming the San Francisco bay area, the big discussion but its actually too small to describe whats going on because whats the root word, and so if youre in orlando, florida, suburb which is where and you might move to a town called ferguson which is where officer Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown and so its part of the larger thing thats happening of desegregation and i think that its anemic in that kind of a way and all across the board. And in that regard to the lack of enforcement, desegregation order and lack of enforcement. We havent had a National Consensus in this country around Racial Equity and over 50 years and in a lot of ways, have fallen apart and yet we are not really paying attention to how to build that infrastructure back up to move us back even as, right, the state here like california, like hawaii where i came from is moving demographically into a generation that are going to be more and more diverse than they were in the generations before. Mark, your perspective . Working in that having worked in education too i also noticed that this kind of redegas station education resegregation and what services are they being provided, and if you look at a school thats predominantly title one, prodam predominantly latino or black, i saw more what i felt was guinea pigging on these pigs trying new programs. This is going to help the students do better. They didnt teach well and thats not the case. People have to learn the system and learn whatever it is that youre trying to implement. They are to learn it first, if thats not learning thats not giving a chance to grow and thrive, you cant call these people failures but what happens is that you are looking at its scores and it turns out these kids are not performing well and they are the ones that get the Revolving Doors and teachers and people changing, you know, the staff and whatever else on these children in the middle of the year, the ones who need the most, affected the most by these kinds of things. And you also see in terms of now theres a big discussion in terms of minorities and stem. Again, what kinds of computers are they being offered, what kinds of classes are being offered. A lot of the kids who are minorities dont realize that they are interested interested in stem because they are not given what viola davis talks about opportunity to even realize that this is something that they are interested in. So desegregation is making a lot of that happen and done quietly and the discussion not being had because it doesnt affect certain sectors of the world, they turn to blind eye to it. Its kind of like back in the 90 when boys in the hood came out. If that had been happening for years, its the same thing with mike brown being killed and Trayvon Martin being killed. This has been happening for years. It hadnt been recorded until now. So social media, things of that nature is making it possible for you to see the things now that you had the luxury, if you will, turn a blind eye to. I think also maybe its intended or maybe unintentional but one of the challenges too is a policy decision that we make. We have sort of an open transfer policy here in usa ip, a child can transfer to any school thats open but if they opt to transfer to another school we do not provide bus transportation. I mentioned this by default, austin for those of you who dont know is the most economically desegregated city in the u. S. And number four when it comes to genderfication. If you go to east austin, you see more fluent families and they are not opting to send kids of neighborhood schools to the perception that those are the negative stigma, lowperforming schools, the quality of the teachers is not great. 75 of students are students of color but less than 28 of teachers are teachers of color. And so the question often is, is there a culture value disconnect . Im married to a buy lingual specialed teacher and i hear all the challenges every day and we have 9 people on the school board, we have elections coming up and we could end up having one africanamerican and one hispanic on the school board of nine people. And so as the board and policymakers, we impose and expect cultural competency upon our teachers and administrators. So i wanted to get your perspectives on that, maybe what youre seeing across the u. S. , many things that you have written about, jeff, i want to give you a positive spin from the perspective, are you seeing things in other communities across the u. S. That might help us . Well, i mean, maybe this is a good time to kind of take it to culture. Yeah. We mentioned hiphop earlier, half jokingly but this may be an interesting point embedded in this. In so many ways, culture a place to be able to think about how we can live together and i think that in so many ways culture is a place where we work out values and the kind of stories and the images and the ideas and sounds and songs and those kinds of things that allow us to be able to figure out how to share space and i will be bullish on this, even in a time where it feels like so much of our our shared culture is fragmenting, it feels as if there are still a lot of i feel like, for instance, the drive for black lives is really the spark for this book. And i think one of the things that its done its created an amazing outpouring of story telling, songmaking that that puts us into what we may look at golden age. Think of this empire, theres blackish, queen sugar, theres atlanta, all of the stories that are out there, this is the 13th that aba did as well. All of the pieces of what alternative can be in the kind of situation that we have been living through, this nightmare in so many ways in the last generation. In music we have seen so much amazing work coming from, salange was on saturday night, beyonce, the knowles sisters, texas in the house, right . [laughter] amaze to go me that we have so much coming out thats offering different things. Beyonces album i read about in the book in the last chapter because after beyonce theres really nothing left to say. [laughter] in some ways you can read lemonade as this personal thing between her and jay z which is a way that gossip columnist and folks kind of did but in some so many ways it represents so much more, right . Its really about this concept in the movement for black lives agenda called transformative justice and what is that . The idea that weve all still got the figure out how to live together and we bring justice to the folks who need it the most and still need to be able to figure out the folks who did the harm in the first place, right . And theres a happy ending in a way which when i first heard the album, it didnt seem true to me but it was because i was so focused on the first part of the album, fire and cards getting cracked and houses burning down. What does it say . What does it say to me to be more in love where the images of division and anker and pain than with the images of at the end which actually did move me of couples in love and families being able to live together and share together. And so here is an album, number one in the country, that comes in some ways, whatever, sort of almost hidden like thing in this period of division saying we might be able to figure ourselves our way out of this. That was powerful to me. I would take it back a little bit further. Im going take it back. You talk about beyonce and what happens with black lives matter and the output. He has the conversation, the interview, if you will, with pac, you know we were talking about how pac was saying when youre 20 years old thats when you want to be youre angry, you the fire in your belly but when youre 30 its been beaten out of you in the sense. Thats kind of how i feel. Thats how i feel with black lives matter that when i was in my 20s, do the right thing, jungle fever and beyonces lemonade is Janet Jacksons rhythm nation. You did take it back. [laughter] janet and janet isnt getting credit either because she did this stuff first. Jackson and everybody before that. Janet jackson did this in terms of this