public is informed well enough to decipher the messages and to determine which ones are real and which ones can manipulate them what about the situation though where the public cannot do that what happens when people are easily manipulated as it appears the case is in many places including in the united states what do you do that. well partly my lights go out and i think i'm dead. as i am. the problem here is that i think that what you just said presumes that people don't have their own agency and their own intelligence if we don't fundamentally believe in the intelligence and goodwill of our fellow men and women and citizens then we don't believe in democracy or free markets or education or journalism i reject all of that at the end of the day i think we've got to accept the idea that we helped me in journalism to win the platforms to serve the public conversation that conversation is catalysts it is meant to be it's been controlled for