most of hong kong has feel that the use of force by the protesters actually more or less legitimate or at least can be justified because i think the police and the government has already lost his legitimacy to rule and to protect its citizens property or their life because in july for example in un long the m.t.r. station when the train members attacked and this impasse arise the police were not there and when supporters were attacking passer bys those who were only doing peaceful protests are sticking up lenin walls the police were not there and they system cannot hold up. responsible for their wrongdoings and that's why hong kong or is peaceful protesters and also the radical processors are very hard to be defied because they see the need to use a force to make them feel safe release feel like that let's come back to the use of force in just a moment as we do have a little report about that but i'd 1st like to try to read the tea leaves in beijing if possible so the chinese government's initial response to this election