she says that was an on the record phone call. "the washington examiner" is taking her back in all of this. hugo gurdon put out a statement saying off the record conversations are agreed in good faith in advance between people known to be participating. not and never have been blanket coverage to shield people who pull a bait and switch. then spend 10 minutes abusing, bullying and threatening a reporter. did that happen, kellyanne? did you bully and abuse her? >> of course not. what i said is there for everybody to listen to. a lot of reporters particularly old school reporters read it and contacted me and they have a very different opinion. also you really didn't need to share those three things. i've already disabused everybody of what he said. i never said the conversation was off the record or commented on that one way or the other. everything i said in the phone call i've said publicly before. every single thing. i said it again.