is not something that should be worrying to us even though there are a lot more than remnants there. >> dana: one thing the administration has been doing to president biden's statements and the secretary of state and secretary of defense and national security advisor r using a lot of numbers. you watch the speeches and listen to them they are trying to kill you with numbers. it feels like a checklist. it feels like it is missing the point. it doesn't seem to match what we're hearing from people working to try to get american citizens and interpreters out of afghanistan. what do you think about that as kind of a crutch to get through? >> i think that providing numbers is useful but if the numbers as you say, if it's contrary to what we're seeing on the ground, then the numbers don't matter just like words don't matters. i was in the bush administration from 2004 to 2009 and during the worst parts of the iraq war no matter what the president said, if we