. we've seen this already. reports that at least 20 russia fighter jets and attack helicopters have been shot down and now were at the 20 market, that is the most in a war since the gulf war in 1991 when the air force 33rd fighter wing sho down 16 iraqi jets and aircraft that's about half the number about 36 and all we're shot dow and certainly now gulf war numbers were we start talking about air defense and shooting down so certainly the russians have a lot to answer for. certainly not the case and whil the ukrainians are cresting the systems, they have some of this third-generation russian air defense staff on the ground in the ukraine. >> everyone you speak to here says there is not enough you ge them. it want as much as i can get is the only way they're going to hold back the russian army. lucas coming thank you very much .