attempt to take down justice thomas which has been going on for 30 years. howard: well, it is up to justice thomas and and he alone to decide whether to recuse. pundits are calling for that, and he has heard a couple of january 6th cases. but ginny thomas, she had a lot of access to the trump white house and the president, so how big is it as a news story that she's offering some q anontheories and saying this is -- c- -- q-anon theory? >> it's not a nothing story, i would definitely say that. it is important to note here ginny thomas is absolutely entitled to say whatever she wants, and just because she is the wife of a supreme court justice does not mean that she has to be quiet and not say those things. i certainly would say that even as you have some conservatives saying even that and what she said appears to be seditious, doesn't matter. she's allowed to say it. i think it becomes an issue, and you don't have to be a law