open borders or not for health care for people who were undocumented. and he went out there and won because of that. the polls take the temperature of the country and right now i don't the temperature, i don't know if it would be too hot or too cold but people are not at 98.6 degrees and recognizing that and saying i'm making these decisions, i understand right now you're not feeling great, but it would be net net the right outcome at the end. that would resonate with people. they would say, that's the joe. >> we wonder what this white house could actually tell right now. where is the country better off now that joe biden -- >> katie: not a lot, i think the competence question is significant that people are paying attention to what happening because joe biden