the most substantial crime reduction in the country's history. a 65% reduction in overall violence and 70% to 72% reduction in murder. the most substantial in u.s. history, never replicated sense or before. >> laura: but they want to attack this now, bernie. they want this to go down. they are trying to outdo each other on how much they want to reduce restrictions for penalty for criminal actions. they consider themselves very enlightened by saying these things. >> but, laura, if you listen to what she says, she said this had a major negative impact on communities of color. there are communities of color in newed york city that the violent crime rate dropped almost 75%, murder dropped 80% during that time period. she has no idea what she's talking about, and there's no better example of that than new york city. >> laura: bernie, there was