opposition research team and to deliver that information to the fbi claiming another collusion aspect of this. what we learned this week is that those researchers exploited their access to government data that had been provided to a government contractor to look at the data including records that came from trump tower, from donald trump's manhattan apartment and also for some period of time records from the white house. which is really all quite remarkable. what it means, paul, is when donald trump said people were actually spying him, people were actually spying on him. paul: so, hohmann, a lot of the press is debunking this and saying, look, it wasn't spying because it was information gathered as part of a regular government contract and somehow -- so that was available, and joffe and others just, just took that. they weren't really spying, it was just sort of routine