tulsi gabbard. thank you so much for coming on, congresswoman. it's hard to know what to believe always, and especially now, but let's stipulate, agree to agree, that it seems likely we could see some conflict between russia and ukraine soon. how should we view that? >> first of all, president biden could end this crisis and prevent a war with russia by doing something very simple. guaranteeing that ukraine will not become a member of nato. because if ukraine became a member of nato, that would put u.s. and nato troops right on the doorstep of russia, which, as putman has laid out, would undermine the national security interests. the reality is that it is highly, highly unlikely that ukraine will ever become a member of nato anyway. the question is, why do some president biden and nato leaders actually just say that and