trillion in spending, leaves $1.5 trillion gap. the president likes to argue this spread out over ten years triggers economic growth that pays it out. it would be a first for any federal program to do that. the battle back and forth on this as to whether they can come up with a more presentable or certainly acceptable figure to moderates from the 3.5 trillion number we're hearing right now and a guy they have to con convenience is my next guest, emanuel clever from missouri, house committee on finance services member. congressman, he says this is fully paid for. we don't even know what is in it yet to judge whether it's paid or not. furthermore, if it's $3.5 trillion figure, the build back better plan, not the bipartisan infrastructure plan, he's wrong.