i didn't have any idea how they intertwined. >> not till the very end. you had the editor of the north star, frederic douglas who used to write for the liberator. he made waves with his speeches. douglas, lincoln douglas debates and he sees potential in him. dougly was ready to throw in the towel. he said i can't make heads or tales of this country. even though douglas born a slave, had every reason to hate it, he saw the potential. doesn't mean he didn't lose his patience. then you watch the emergence of this candidate. it's like in your family. you have such high hopes for friends and family. when they don't reach it, you're twice as angry. why did he reach out to the south and say keep your slaves. come back to the union. douglas says come on, you cannot live with four million people in